Problem of Money

xtremes00 · 07-11-2006, 03:43 AM

What's wrong with the people of this world??? Money isn't worth anything! In fact it's just made out of paper and some prints on it. It isn't worth anything at all. Why do people still want to go after this fuss?? People argue and even klill each other just to get hold of these "paper". So what if they're rich?? It's just paper with prints anyways. ANyone besides me who thought of this too??(btw, sorry if I'm offending anyone, I'm just 15 years old)

JerryLove · 07-11-2006, 06:22 AM

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Money isn't worth anything! In fact it's just made out of paper and some prints on it.

No, it's the ability to buy. The constitution is just paper, and the deed to my house is just paper; but people kill and die for the constitution, and I'm pretty fond of my house.

Money is a marker of wealth. It represents goods and services, and these are real things with real values. There's not too much I wouldn't do for a sufficient amount of money... because there's not much I wouldn't put my life through now for the changes I can offer my life under those conditions.

zekthedeadcow · 07-11-2006, 07:25 AM

if you really look at it those with wealth just happen to have money... the real wealth is in the control of resources and property.

xtremes00 · 07-11-2006, 07:55 AM

For me, I think real wealth means attaining the salvation

It's what counts. This earth is just temporary anyways. Everything is worthless here. God is the only one of worth.

JerryLove · 07-11-2006, 09:08 AM

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For me, I think real wealth means attaining the salvation It's what counts.

Spoken like someone who would put money into missionary work before buying themselves a computer and an internet connection.

thomaspg70 · 07-11-2006, 09:40 AM

Actually money is just worth something in our lives temporarily, until we die and go into eternity.

Nate · 07-11-2006, 09:43 AM

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Actually money is just worth something in our lives temporarily, until we die and go into eternity.

Actually, everything is just worth something in our lives temporarily... regardless of eternity.

JerryLove · 07-11-2006, 10:11 AM

One doesn't need to get metaphysical to make that statement either.

Vactions are just transitory within our lives. They end and then there's the rest of life.

By the logic "this is just our lives, worry about eternity", we remove basically everything from having any value. I hope you don't eat foods you actually like. What's the point?

thomaspg70 · 07-11-2006, 10:34 AM

I'm not saying that I don't like money or it's not worth anything, I'm just saying that it will be worthless when we die and fall into eternity.

JerryLove · 07-11-2006, 10:41 AM

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I'm not saying that I don't like money or it's not worth anything, I'm just saying that it will be worthless when we die and fall into eternity.

So I should make sure to spend it all now. Then it will be worth the same thing the massage I got last month is worth... the memory of happiness.

thomaspg70 · 07-11-2006, 10:53 AM

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So I should make sure to spend it all now. Then it will be worth the same thing the massage I got last month is worth... the memory of happiness.

tlj009 · 07-11-2006, 11:35 AM

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There's not too much I wouldn't do for a sufficient amount of money...

That is the reason the bible talks about the Love of money being the root of all evil. First you do one small thing to get a little money and then it escalates until you are sinning constantly to get more money. Money is simply a tool to be used. Money is not necessary, it just makes life easier if used right. Money is not necessary for missionary work although it may be beneficial. God will supply his people with their needs; not their wants. And God can very easily take away anything that he gives you.

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if you really look at it those with wealth just happen to have money... the real wealth is in the control of resources and property.

Control is an illusion. God is in control. Nebuchadnezzar learned this lesson.

jfahler03 · 07-11-2006, 12:21 PM

Drawing on the first post, I think a "Christian" perspective could go a few ways on this, depending on how you interpret Scripture.

I would personally say that while money isn't the root of all happiness it is still an important "mover" in our Capitalistic society. In all too many cases you must "pay to play" in society and the best benefits are given to the richest people.

At the same time, money is obviously used as a medium of exchange which allows good things to happen. People being fed, having a better place to live, etc. etc. etc.

My main point here is that I disagree with the first post. First of all money is worth a lot. It "makes the world go 'round" whether you like it or not. As long as there are human beings there will be human beings wanting to better their lives. To maximize pleasure and minimize pain (I know this isnt... "Christian" but everyone does it). At the same time, money is neutral. You can use money to ruin somebody (and use it for evil) or use it to feed somebody (or use it for good in other ways). It's the person controlling the wealth at the heart of things here. That's where religion and ethics become important.

This discussion reminds me of people considering economics the "dismal science". In some ways I agree. In other ways I hate to say that economics is neutral... it's the people involved in the economy that lead to things like huge discrepancies in income.

JerryLove · 07-11-2006, 12:28 PM

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That is the reason the bible talks about the Love of money being the root of all evil. First you do one small thing to get a little money and then it escalates until you are sinning constantly to get more money.

So you believe that working for money is evil? I hope that you don't want to eat regularly nor sleep indoors.

I think you present a problem faced only by people with a self-contrary position: that they have an absolute morality that they are then willing to compromise under certain circumstances.

I have no such problems. Everything has a value to me. There are things that are more valueable to me than my own life, and there is no amount of money that would get me to do those; but most everytthing else has a price that could be met monitarily.

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Money is not necessary, it just makes life easier if used right.

Money is an abstract representation of goods and services. $1.50 = box of cereal = $1.50.

To say you don't need money the way you are is to say you don't need the things that money represents. Food, shelter, medecine. Obviously, this is a false claim (unless you would like to starve to death now).

JerryLove · 07-11-2006, 12:29 PM

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I would personally say that while money isn't the root of all happiness it is still an important "mover" in our Capitalistic society. In all too many cases you must "pay to play" in society and the best benefits are given to the richest people.

I generally agree with Scott Adams here: We give up happiness to make money and spend money to make happiness.