The Dawn of the Age of Marshall....

Hopeful · 06-29-2006, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by AXguitar

I agree with most of that, but you'd be surprised at how little these bands actually get... now some of the BIG names get free equipment but those are names like Aerosmith and Carlos Santana... also most musicians will only play with their own amps because it's what they like and what they are accustomed to, the amps may be given to them, but when they tour they take the amps with them, i'm not saying that the amps aren't given to them as a marketing tool so that they will be seen on stage, but a band usually endorses equipment that they like and use...

I think you'd be surprised the other way. You'd be surprised how fast most jump when they throw a $5,000 amp your way! And you don't have to be BIG, all you have to be is seen and are selling records.

That is the real business world in which the language is $$$$$ and the goal is how to make more of it.

eyhd · 06-29-2006, 12:06 PM

I was rescentlly sponsered by mesa and you dont get free amps unless your album sells over i think 25,000 units. now the discount of 40% off new stuff and 50% off refurbished equipment in their warehouse is absolutely great. but you still have to pay for it. they did however hook a brother up with tons of tubes which was awesome. but the same thing went with ernie ball. it was still 22 dollars for 12 sets of strings which granted is great. but you still have to pay. being sponsered doesnt mean people just hand you stuff. but it is nice.

Ax · 06-29-2006, 05:26 PM

exactly! they have to make some cash, the 40% probably puts it at about 10% above cost, a lot less money, but it's still money... and yes the language of business is money, that's why they're not gonna throw a $5k amp your way unless you are raking in enough to buy your own equipment anyways...

Hopeful · 06-29-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by eyhd

I was rescentlly sponsered by mesa and you dont get free amps unless your album sells over i think 25,000 units. now the discount of 40% off new stuff and 50% off refurbished equipment in their warehouse is absolutely great. but you still have to pay for it. they did however hook a brother up with tons of tubes which was awesome. but the same thing went with ernie ball. it was still 22 dollars for 12 sets of strings which granted is great. but you still have to pay. being sponsered doesnt mean people just hand you stuff. but it is nice.

That is what I was alluding to. They got you to play their amps even if you had to pay for part of it. If you're like me, I would be able to spend the same amount of money, but get a better amp than I would have if I had to foot the bill myself. These amp manufacturers are not stupid. They have to be smart because the competition is also smart.

jmjlai · 07-15-2006, 05:03 PM

some could put this down but imo, an orange rockverb sounds a crap load better than a marshall handwired any day!!!

and... have you ever seen a video by "the darkness" their guitarist must have dozens of marshall stacks

RubberChipmunk · 07-15-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jmjlai

and... have you ever seen a video by "the darkness" their guitarist must have dozens of marshall stacks

I've seen a few. I believe a lot of them are props. Brian May of Queen used an entire wall of his custom Vox combos. Out of this wall, maybe two or three were even on and being used. The rest were props for making the setup look freaking awesome.

jmjlai · 07-15-2006, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RubberChipmunk

I've seen a few. I believe a lot of them are props. Brian May of Queen used an entire wall of his custom Vox combos. Out of this wall, maybe two or three were even on and being used. The rest were props for making the setup look freaking awesome.

dont get me wrong, a lot are props but mabee the prestige of a wall of marshalls is overrated. i wonder if anyone made a wall or orange amps. IMO it would look sweet but i think it's the simplistic black cab and the elegant logo that defines the awesomeness of a wall of marshalls. i dont think that another amp would look as sweet in that setting. even if it was an orange

ApparentlyNothing · 07-15-2006, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spyrotheleo

there is no way a band would use amps that are at the venues and stuff, BEcause they would already have everything dialed in into their amps, so if they didn't use their stuff it would take tons of tweaking to get their sound.

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Originally Posted by Hopeful

The sound guys do the tweaking and they do it mostly on the board. I have a friend who has mixed some big names. A good sound man is often as important as a good guitar player. Ask any big band. You say no way, but I see it very often. I've only been around music for over 30 years.

Hopeful is right. It's not like every band does it, but for some bands at some venues, they prefer to use house amps or to rent for just that venue. At a big Christian music festival my college puts on, one of my friends helping out with the show asks me if the David Crowder band could borrow my AC30. (I turned them down, that amp is my baby)

ApparentlyNothing · 07-15-2006, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AXguitar

I'm 19.. and have been to many many many concerts... i'm not saying marshall's are bad amps, but i think that what used to be the industry standard is not as sought after as what it used to be... there are only 2 brands of amps taht i absolutely hate, and that is Crate and Vox... I could get a nearly brand new vox for increadibly cheap right now from a friend, but i just don't like the tone, and neither does he, he paid over a thousand for it and now can't get 500, i think he's considering selling it back to the Guitar Center for about 400... is there a defect in the amp? no it sounds exactly like the ones at the GC and the local shop down the road, i just can't stand the sound of the thing... and the reason i hate Crate is because i own a crate practice amp and it sucks majorly, mostly because it's solid state, but also because it's a 15 Watt piece of crap... yeah, that's about it... I was considering a DSL but i think that when you are buying a Marshall you are paying more for the name than for the amp, it's a good amp but in my opinion it's not worth the pricetag...

I'm sorry this is off topic, but I just can't believe the guy can't get even $500 for an AC30 (I'm assuming it's an AC30 because you said it cost over $1000). You can easily make more than that on eBay. Even craigslist can get you more than what Guitar Center will pay you. And if you have enough money, then just buy it off him and sell it yourself for an easy $300+ profit. And if it's such a hassle for him to get rid of, well that's what you get for not trying an amp out extensively before buying, especially when it's from Guitar Center.

It's also completely ridiculous to judge an entire companies amp line off of a 15 watt solid state practice amp. I'm not a huge Crate fan myself, but c'mon. That's just foolish.

Ax · 07-18-2006, 09:19 PM

i've played other crates, they just don't sound good to my ears....

**Rainer.** · 07-18-2006, 11:51 PM

Meaning you've played the Blue Voodoos, right? And the older Stealth stacks?

The Palominos I've played weren't half-bad either.

I figure my point is, Crate actually has a wide range of amps. Don't like any of 'em?

RubberChipmunk · 07-19-2006, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jmjlai

dont get me wrong, a lot are props but mabee the prestige of a wall of marshalls is overrated. i wonder if anyone made a wall or orange amps. IMO it would look sweet but i think it's the simplistic black cab and the elegant logo that defines the awesomeness of a wall of marshalls. i dont think that another amp would look as sweet in that setting. even if it was an orange

Considering Queen is my favorite band of all time, I'd have to disagree with you there and say Vox. A wall of marshalls does look pretty darn awesome, though. A wall of ANY amp looks pretty darn awesome...

Hopeful · 07-19-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RubberChipmunk

A wall of ANY amp looks pretty darn awesome...

Darn right! Unless you're the roadie. But, in most cases, those that are just the shell and grill cloth are pretty light - well, compared to the loaded cab.

Burks · 07-19-2006, 03:18 PM

Didn't Marshall come up with a new "hand wired" model? Maybe they are trying to save themselves from a slow death.

I had a job at a local Guitar Center and our manager told us that they are not what they use to be and that thier quality is goning down hill.

**thesteve** · 07-19-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Burks

Didn't Marshall come up with a new "hand wired" model? Maybe they are trying to save themselves from a slow death.

I had a job at a local Guitar Center and our manager told us that they are not what they use to be and that thier quality is goning down hill.

they have three models in the handwired series
http://marshallamps.com/product_rang...oductRangeId=3