Bishop Katherine Jefferts Schori

TheProdigalModern · 06-19-2006, 10:09 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060619/...iscopalians_37

What are the general feelings about this? My experience has been that, even among conservative Episcopalians, there hasn't been a lot of opposition to female leadership.

But then again, this is the first time a woman has been elected presiding Bishop. And the conservative Anglicans aren't happy with it.

catholicpriest · 06-19-2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Vershal

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060619/...iscopalians_37

What are the general feelings about this? My experience has been that, even among conservative Episcopalians, there hasn't been a lot of opposition to female leadership.

But then again, this is the first time a woman has been elected presiding Bishop. And the conservative Anglicans aren't happy with it.

Well... speaking as an outsider, I would just observe that it does not seem that the Episcopal Church is doing anything to promote unity within their own Church. If anything, they seem to be doing their best to sow division. First, the consecration of the gay bishop in New Hampshire, V. Gene Robinson, and now this. It seems like there is a fifth column within the Episcopal Church that is trying to undermine it from within.

OneHope · 06-19-2006, 11:05 AM

Is she in the liberal or conservative camp?

joshaber · 06-19-2006, 12:09 PM

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Is she in the liberal or conservative camp?

http://newark.rutgers.edu/~lcrew/bishops/0388.html

If I'm reading that page right, it seems she supported the ordination of Gene Robinson. And if that's the case, it doesn't seem like she was the wisest choice if the ECUSA is really trying to get back into the good graces of the Anglican Communion.

OneHope · 06-19-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by joshaber

http://newark.rutgers.edu/~lcrew/bishops/0388.html

If I'm reading that page right, it seems she supported the ordination of Gene Robinson. And if that's the case, it doesn't seem like she was the wisest choice if the ECUSA is really trying to get back into the good graces of the Anglican Communion.

I couldn't care less if she is a woman but the fact that she is 'liberal' bothers me.

Personally however, I would like to see a split in the church so I don't really mind all that much anymore.

joshaber · 06-19-2006, 09:52 PM

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Personally however, I would like to see a split in the church so I don't really mind all that much anymore.

Perhaps that would be best now.

I'm curious what my fellow Episcopalians are planning to do. I was hoping to attend an ECUSA church when I went back to school, either in good faith that they would be repenting or them having repented already. Now it seems that won't happen.

Prospero · 06-22-2006, 10:50 AM

"Mother Jesus gives birth to a new creation -- and you and I are His children. If we're going to keep on growing into Christ images for the world around us, we're going to have to give up fear."

The Episcopalian church has taken one very large step towards total irrelevency. I pray for the Brethren within the Episcopal church at this time.

Prospero · 06-22-2006, 10:53 AM

linkage: http://www.albertmohler.com/blog_read.php?id=698

WannaPlay · 06-22-2006, 01:38 PM

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"Mother Jesus gives birth to a new creation -- and you and I are His children. If we're going to keep on growing into Christ images for the world around us, we're going to have to give up fear."

Mother Jesus?

I am just astounded...

ICTHUS · 06-25-2006, 10:11 AM

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Perhaps that would be best now.

I'm curious what my fellow Episcopalians are planning to do. I was hoping to attend an ECUSA church when I went back to school, either in good faith that they would be repenting or them having repented already. Now it seems that won't happen.

Josh, is there an Anglican Mission in America parish near where you're going to school?

joshaber · 06-25-2006, 09:18 PM

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Josh, is there an Anglican Mission in America parish near where you're going to school?

Sadly no. They only have two missions in Ohio, as far as I know, and both are a few hours away. Last semester I went to a Reformed Episcopal Church -- and I really loved it -- but it's about 45 minutes away so its hard to get to anything but Sunday mornings. A church in communion with Canterbury would also be nice.

In my mind, I really don't see the ECUSA as an option anymore. I'm all for tolerance within orthodoxy, but in my mind the ECUSA is no longer orthodox or even pretending to be orthodox. Hopefully the Anglican Communion will do their thing and an orthodox, ex-ECUSA church will be in my area. Being back in a Baptist church this summer is killing me; I can't wait to return to an Episcopal church.

I miss so much the Eucharist...

ICTHUS · 06-25-2006, 10:07 PM

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Sadly no. They only have two missions in Ohio, as far as I know, and both are a few hours away. Last semester I went to a Reformed Episcopal Church -- and I really loved it -- but it's about 45 minutes away so its hard to get to anything but Sunday mornings. A church in communion with Canterbury would also be nice.

In my mind, I really don't see the ECUSA as an option anymore. I'm all for tolerance within orthodoxy, but in my mind the ECUSA is no longer orthodox or even pretending to be orthodox. Hopefully the Anglican Communion will do their thing and an orthodox, ex-ECUSA church will be in my area. Being back in a Baptist church this summer is killing me; I can't wait to return to an Episcopal church.

I miss so much the Eucharist...

Are there any good PCA churches nearby? (Or any other conservative Presbyterian denomination, or Christian Reformed) When I go to the University of Victoria (God willing) next year, I may be in the same boat as you. The situation in that diocese (British Columbia - this diocese is New Westminster) is a bit different, and although there are some conservative clergy in that diocese, the Bishop has threatened them quite severely that if they do something like joining the Anglican Network in Canada or the Anglican Coalition in Canada, they will be in serious hot water. I don't think the things are in place to safeguard them against potential fallout and personal repercussions (specifically, against the ministers) like there was prior to the formation of the Anglican Communion in New Westminster prior to our 2002 synod that approved same-sex blessings. I think things are going to change in Victoria, though, and soon. So we'll see. Abp. Terry Buckle (again, I assume you've heard of the events and people I'm referring to?) is now the Metropolitan of the dioceses of British Columbia, the Yukon, and New Westminster, so that may also have an effect. We'll see.

There is one PCA church there (part of the new-ish Presbytery of the Pacific Northwest - and there are two churches here in Vancouver, one of which I have visited) and I have heard excellent things about the pastor there.

If the one Anglican church in the city that I've heard reasonably good things about, doesn't work out, then I may consider being an "Anglican-on-loan", as J.I. Packer put it in a discussion I had with him once over coffee after a small lecture he gave.