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Unread 12-06-2001, 04:27 PM   #46
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Unread 12-06-2001, 09:32 PM   #47
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I love Tool. I truly believe that they are one of the greatest bands ever to exist. Maynard does, however, seem to have an extreme hate for Jesus Christ.
I disagree, and think that I know more about Tool, to be totally honest.

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Their website had (and may still have) an opening page claiming that people should do everything in their power to protect themselves from evil spirits when listening to Tool's music because the music was filled with them.
Haha, this was about listening to the new album, yes I have seen this page. You have to understand that anything Tool says should be taken with a grain of salt, they love to mess around and say stuff like this. Trust me, most of what they say is not the way it really is.

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I understand if he was just venting anger or something, but that's not the way to do it.
Who are you to say this?

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Also, PleasuresPain...you seem to be getting really offended really easily.
That is a innaccurate interpretation. Do not mistake distain, impatience, vigor, or abrasiveness for me being offeneded or angry.

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It is okay for people not to like Tool.
Where did I say, or even imply that it is not?

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In all honesty, you are being really childish in this thread.
No, I am just defending my view. Just because it isn't what you would do doesn't mean it is "childish."

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I realize that will upset you, but I don't really care because you need to know the truth.
The truth is, your opinion is meaningless to me.


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First off, this is a CHRISTIAN board...and I don't seem to recall a verse in the Bible that says fight to the bitter end to prove you're right. It says to be humble...which would require accepting others opinions and backing off once in a while.
I have no problem with someone not likeing Tool or saying they are not the best, but I don't like the false accusations of Maynard hating Christ or Tool being evil or whatever. And I will still defend the fact that I think they are the best

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Second, if this thread is just for questions about tool, and you don't want someone posting comments about tool or something that is not a question about tool, then it might be wise to back down....it only causes others to want to come back and some something better.
Backing down from something is not a way out that I will take.

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Third, one person's fav band is NOT the best...NO matter how hard you try to defend them...it is still a matter of opinion.
True. But one can still back up their opinion

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You cannot force your views on someone else.
When have I ever tried to?

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it is all in the eye of the beholder...in the same manner as opinions are different, so are our eyes... Accept it..
Opinons are different, but there has been more than just opinion posted.

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If you would like a question, then explain what the song Judith is talking about...it might help others to see your pov, but might not....at least then, they might fully see your view.
He seems to be angry about how Christianity has led to someone being hurt, and thinks that they are blind to how it has done that.

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This board is supposed to be fun to come to...by making it a total debate board, you suck the life out of it...True, we do like to give our opinions on this board (this forum is definitely no exception)...but, I don't know how many come here to argue their point to the ground...but that's just my view.
Arguing isn't always bad, and we have GP to not argue. Also, lots of threads on here do not argue either. But I don't see what is so horrible about arguing.
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Unread 12-06-2001, 10:49 PM   #48
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PleasuresPain, you say that everything that Tool says should be taken with a grain of salt. Maybe that's how you see it, but when someone insults my God in any way, it's not just some little thing. Who am I to say that "Judith" was not the right way for Maynard to vent his anger? I'm no one. I openly admit that. Who are you to say that it's okay for Maynard to say "F*ck your God" as long as it's only him being angry? Last I checked, using God's name in anyway other than to spread His word or worship Him is wrong and offensive to Him. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Now, I hope you'll notice that I did not say that Maynard hates Jesus. I don't know if he does or not. I said that he seems to hate Jesus. You say that much of what he says is just messing around, but why would he even joke like that?
Oh, and I love the fact that my opinion is so meaningless to you, yet you take the time to respond to it. Amazing the way that works.
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Unread 12-06-2001, 10:52 PM   #49
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Also, about the song "Judith"...I used to love the song. I believed that it was about someone who blindly followed Christianity and ritualistic practices. As I read the lyrics and listened to the song more and more, though, I just couldn't believe that anymore.
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Unread 12-06-2001, 11:55 PM   #50
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PleasuresPain, you say that everything that Tool says should be taken with a grain of salt. Maybe that's how you see it, but when someone insults my God in any way, it's not just some little thing.
Ok, thats fine. Be offended, but don't think they are always totally serious.

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Who am I to say that "Judith" was not the right way for Maynard to vent his anger? I'm no one. I openly admit that. Who are you to say that it's okay for Maynard to say "F*ck your God" as long as it's only him being angry? Last I checked, using God's name in anyway other than to spread His word or worship Him is wrong and offensive to Him. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You are right. But remember Mer de Noms is about healing (that is from Maynard's own mouth) and if you look at the songs they go in a progressive order in the healing process. He is very angry with God in "Judith," thats true, but look at the lyrics to "Thomas" (perhaps an illusion to "Doubting" Thomas...?) a few tracks later in the album.

humbled and helpless learning to pray praying for visions to show me the way
show me the way to forgive you allow me to let it go
allow me to be forgiven and show me the way to let go
illuminate me i'm just praying for you to show me where i'm to begin
hoping to reconnect to you


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Now, I hope you'll notice that I did not say that Maynard hates Jesus. I don't know if he does or not. I said that he seems to hate Jesus. You say that much of what he says is just messing around, but why would he even joke like that?

No, I said that the thing about spirits and listening to Lateralus was a joke. I'm sure he has been very angry at God, and more accuratly Christianity.

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Oh, and I love the fact that my opinion is so meaningless to you, yet you take the time to respond to it. Amazing the way that works.
It is meaningless, as in, I am not bothered by what you think, nor do I desire to change what you think. I am just correcting the mistakes in what you say.
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Unread 12-07-2001, 12:34 AM   #51
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Talking MORE QUESTIONS

KK... here comes another round...

Do any of them do anything special to 'gear up' for concerts...


What is their prefered soft drink?


Who inspired them... if anyone...


Where are they originally from?


How old are they?


What was their longest tour?
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Unread 12-07-2001, 12:56 AM   #52
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Re: MORE QUESTIONS

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Do any of them do anything special to 'gear up' for concerts...
Not sure what you mean.

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What is their prefered soft drink?
Not sure, but I know that they (except Maynard) drink Heiniken. haha

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Who inspired them... if anyone...
King Crimson, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd

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Where are they originally from?
Adam, Danny, and Maynard met in LA. Justin if from England.

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How old are they?
Maynard is 37, Adam is 36, Danny is 40, and Justin is 30. The original bassist who Justin replaced, Paul D'amour, is now 34.

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What was their longest tour?
2001 US Arena Tour in support of Lateralus
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Unread 12-07-2001, 01:06 AM   #53
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Do any of them do anything special to 'gear up' for concerts...
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Not sure what you mean.



**Like do any of them have a strange need to have chocolate before they go on stage?

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Not sure, but I know that they (except Maynard) drink Heiniken. haha


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Unread 12-07-2001, 01:06 AM   #54
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Unread 12-07-2001, 01:11 AM   #55
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They don't need anything before getting on stage to my knowledge

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T-dawg... you are waaaay hardcore, lol. I get a good laugh seeing all the debates
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PleasuresPain, I wanna start by thanking you for making the most rational and civil response I've seen you make on this thread.
I do know that Mer De Noms is about healing and that the songs are in a progressive order. I've read that in many interviews with Maynard and it is obvious to anyone who reads the lyrics and understands them. I guess my problem with it was that "Judith" was the only song that people knew from them for a long time. It is still the only song that many people know from them. Those people don't know what the record is about and just know that Maynard sings about hating God and Christianity. I know otherwise, and you know otherwise, but it still leads others astray. When the song first came out, there were people I knew who were like, "Maynard says 'F*ck God,' he's right." That really bothered me. They didn't know the rest of the album and just received that message. See what I'm saying?
I love Tool. I think Maynard is an incredible singer and an amazing vocalist. The entire band writes some of the best, most experimental music I've ever heard. They also do and say some really funny stuff (for those who don't know, listen to the last tracks of any of their full-length albums).
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Unread 12-07-2001, 09:21 PM   #59
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I guess my problem with it was that "Judith" was the only song that people knew from them for a long time. It is still the only song that many people know from them. Those people don't know what the record is about and just know that Maynard sings about hating God and Christianity. I know otherwise, and you know otherwise, but it still leads others astray.
I agree with everything here, except the part about leading others astray. I don't see how it does that?

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When the song first came out, there were people I knew who were like, "Maynard says 'F*ck God,' he's right."
Well, I am sure they weren't Christians anyhow. Atheists don't hear a Christian song and say "he said Jesus is Lord! He's right!!" then change their minds.


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That really bothered me. They didn't know the rest of the album and just received that message. See what I'm saying?
Yeah I do.

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I love Tool. I think Maynard is an incredible singer and an amazing vocalist. The entire band writes some of the best, most experimental music I've ever heard. They also do and say some really funny stuff (for those who don't know, listen to the last tracks of any of their full-length albums).
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Right on and no problem. Sorry for my abrasivness and inpatience.
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Well, Travis has already said pretty much all I was going to say about this band, but I can't help but agree. They are the best, and they should be recognized as such.

There hasn't been another band like them, in terms of depth and philosophical scope, and of course musical scope, for years.

As one person put it (and several others) TOOL RULES.
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