[beth1447]

I don't know if this belongs here or not. But, me anda friend (who's bisexual) have been discussing why some people become homosexual. Also, questions... can you be a homosexual Christian? I'll post more of their Qs l ater.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by beth1447

I don't know if this belongs here or not. But, me anda friend (who's bisexual) have been discussing why some people become homosexual.

Here's what the Bible has to say about the cause of homosexuality.

Romans 1:18-32
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

Originally Posted by beth1447

Also, questions... can you be a homosexual Christian? I'll post more of their Qs l ater.

The Bible speaks to this issue very directly.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

[TheProdigalModern]

As for physical "causes," there are debates among the scientific community. There have been some correlative studies that link homosexuality with certain biological factors, but there aren't any known causes, per se.

As for spiritual causes...see the post above.

[rkfan4]

Originally Posted by beth1447

I don't know if this belongs here or not. But, me anda friend (who's bisexual) have been discussing why some people become homosexual. Also, questions... can you be a homosexual Christian? I'll post more of their Qs l ater.

i believe you can be bi, or gay and a christian.

[metalchris25]

Then you don't know much about being a Christian.^

Did you not read a few posts up?

[Flutey]

Originally Posted by metalchris25

Then you don't know much about being a Christian.^

Did you not read a few posts up?

Yea. I believe that to be bi, or homo, is a choice. I used to have many friends like that and they explained that they had no choice until they realized that God makes the earth for male and female to be together not male and male or female and felmale. Most homos just need a time to think about what is going on in their life in a courdence of the Bible and people there to support them (prefviosly people that they aren't attracked to)
Just don't judge these people and to pray for their eyes to be opened.
Flutey

[Lightknight]

A homosexual Christian is no different from a lying Christian and a alduterous christian.

The only problem is all are going to Hell according to scripture.

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Cr 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

While most people jump on the word effeminate, the next line (though harder to understand) is far more direct. The greek word used for "abusers fo themselves with mankind" is "arsenokoites" which only has one definition.

Arsenokoites:
1) one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual

The same condemnation is found in 1Ti 1:10.


Now, this does NOT mean that if you struggle with those sins you are going to Hell. It is speaking of a lifestyle of unrepentant sin in those areas.

[jdironfist]

Originally Posted by rkfan4

i believe you can be bi, or gay and a christian.

Yes, but in the same respect as you can be lustful and still be a Christian. The two will never work correctly with each other—we cannot serve two masters—but simply because one has not given up all of his sin does not make him a non-Christian.

Love in Him,
Joel

[SeekerOLight]

Originally Posted by Travis

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Travis...does this mean WOMEN who practice homosexuality will be A O-K?

[Lightknight]

Originally Posted by SeekerOLight

Travis...does this mean WOMEN who practice homosexuality will be A O-K?

Not when you take scripture as a whole, refusing to disregard other verses that also condemn female homosexuality. Or as long as you don't disregard the first half of Travis' post. Again, here's something in that sea of blue he posted.

Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
Rom 1:27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by SeekerOLight

Travis...does this mean WOMEN who practice homosexuality will be A O-K?

Why would it mean that? This clearly isn't intended to be an exhaustive list of every sin. And the fact that men who practice homosexuality will go to hell doesn't entail that women who do so won't.

[SeekerOLight]

Originally Posted by Lightknight

Not when you take scripture as a whole, refusing to disregard other verses that also condemn female homosexuality. Or as long as you don't disregard the first half of Travis' post. Again, here's something in that sea of blue he posted.

Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
Rom 1:27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

Before this conversation, I had always been taught that women leaving 'natural function'....for some other type of sexual activity, other then that which can create life, but with a man....since this verse NOR any other specifically labels women 'burning with affection' for other 'women' or lesbianism at all.

[SeekerOLight]

Originally Posted by Travis

Why would it mean that? This clearly isn't intended to be an exhaustive list of every sin. And the fact that men who practice homosexuality will go to hell doesn't entail that women who do so won't.

It really is a moot point to bring up the arguement about exhasitve lists of EVERY sin that man can commit, since the verse in question is dealing primarilly with homosexual behavior in men. It would not have been a stretch of arguement or the writers point to include lesbianism. In fact, the silence of the Bible on lesbianism is astounding. At best, we can look at the verse that say they 'left natural use'......but it never goes into detail as it does with homsexuality (i.e. men burned in lust for men). Therefore this verse could very plainly mean any sexual activities with men that cannot be used for procreation.

p.s. Do you know of any good theology schools in Lubbock?

[Lightknight]

Originally Posted by SeekerOLight

Before this conversation, I had always been taught that women leaving 'natural function'....for some other type of sexual activity, other then that which can create life, but with a man....since this verse NOR any other specifically labels women 'burning with affection' for other 'women' or lesbianism at all.

Then whoever taught you that is one who doesn't like to finish reading out the context. Here is the same verse in one segment without verse numbers seperating it.

... their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

It is clear that it is talking about both male and female homosexuality.

[SeekerOLight]

Originally Posted by Lightknight

Then whoever taught you that is one who doesn't like to finish reading out the context. Here is the same verse in one segment without verse numbers seperating it.

... their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

It is clear that it is talking about both male and female homosexuality.

Read the post right above your the one quoted above.

Also....The verse you offer says that women left the NATURAL FUNCTION FOR THE UNNATURAL...but never elaborates on what the un-natural function is. They do however elaborate when discussing homosexuality. Why is there a consistent silence in dealing with lesbianism from Genesis on down to the New Testament?