[Qingu]

Originally Posted by Lightknight

He's an adult. I think in his 40s. So don't expect to hear from a kid. Though I doubt you'll hear from him personally at all. I would prefer you give me your email as I do not have a scanner or know how to use one but he could probably take care of it.

Just have him e-mail you and then you can post it on the forum. You could make a new thread called "AMAZING EVIDENCE OF CHRISTIAN MEDICAL MIRACLES." I'm sure everyone on this forum--not just me--would love to see the evidence that this guy is going to give you.

If he prefers something more private, just have him e-mail you and then PM me. Not hard.

You're not going to answer my questions?

What questions.

Why doing you go to yahoo and type up, "Homosexual, Statistic, Child Molestation."?

Because I didn't cite a study's statistic. You did.

I happen to have a program on my computer that tells a few of my accountability friends anything I've gone to (though I've never had a problem with computers CGR and Email being the only two sites I really frequent, it was really for the whole group). I have no desire for them to look at their bimonthly email of what I've been looking up and see, "Homosexual" and certainly not "Child Molestation".

I think you're being rather paranoid. At least, I hope you're being paranoid. Because it sort of sounds like you're covering up for your own lies.

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

GAVIN. Stop being ridiculous. From this point forward, if you don't cite a study or reference a source, you're just pulling it out your ass. It's not fair for you to assert evidence, and then say it's someone else's responsibility to check it up.

yeah, and if someone found a reoport that you searched for child molestation in homosexual statistics... who cares? thats obviously a statistic you are looking for, not porn.

I mean, I would not care if my wife saw me searching for that, or my pastor. Actually, while I was at Moody, I had to on work time do a similar search.

[everyman]

I once tried doing internet research on a smoking cessation program called "No Butts About It" or something to that effect and whoa, the links the search engine turned up.

Anyway, earlier in this thread is an example of how to find on-line references regarding generalizations about homosexuality and its possible causes. See Posts 43 & 44.

[Lightknight]

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

yeah, and if someone found a reoport that you searched for child molestation in homosexual statistics... who cares? thats obviously a statistic you are looking for, not porn.

I mean, I would not care if my wife saw me searching for that, or my pastor. Actually, while I was at Moody, I had to on work time do a similar search.

Well, yeah, I guess you're right. They certainly wouldn't think an of those things about me. they are, after all, very close friends. lol, i'm just thinking of when they first open the email and that site pops up. Ok, I'll go looking for it right now.

[Lightknight]

I guess since I'm looking up this stuff I might as well post some of the interesting things I find along with it.

Here the FRC (Family Research Council) finds that homosexuals only comprise about 1 to 3 percent of the population and that homosexual males account statistically for over one third of all sex crimes committed against children. This can of course be seen as a biased organization. Though they did do real research. But can it be trusted? I don't know. But this is backed by several different sites and sources that I'm coming across. Wow, there are actually a HECK of a lot of sites and sources that claim a link between homosexuality and child abuse. Enough to really make it seem like it could be true. Then again, I haven't seen their data unlike the following sources so I would consider it propaganda until data is found. Rather than vague statistics.

This site has studies like the following.

(Chapman, B., Brannock, J. (1987) Proposed model of lesbian identity development. An empirical examination. Journal of Homosexuality. 14:69-80.)

"63% of lesbians surveyed stated that they had chosen to be lesbians, 28% felt they had no choice, and 11% did not know why they were lesbians."

(Elliott, D.M., Brier, J. (1992, February). The Sexually Abused Boy: Problems in Manhood. Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality. 26 (2): 68-71. )

"Boys who were sexually molested have subsequently “a higher incidence of homosexuality.”"

(Friedman, Richard, Downey, Jennifer. (1993) Neurobiology and Sexual Orientation: Current Relationships, 5. J. Neuropsychiatry & Clinical Neurosciences 131, 139. )

"This evidence may suggest that abuse and early sexual experiences can contribute to homosexuality, perhaps because of familiarity with sexual acts, and in some cases because of an initial sexual experience with someone of the same gender."

(Tomeo, M.E., et al. (2001, October). Comparative data of childhood and adolescence molestation in heterosexual and homosexual persons. Archives of Sexual Behavior. 30 (5): 535-541.)

"942 nonclinical adult participants, gay men and lesbian women reported a significantly higher rate of childhood molestation that did heterosexual men and women. Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. Twenty-two percent of lesbian women in contrast to 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation."

A very extensive source listing many lasting effects of Child Abuse. Homosexuality is one of several possible results that they have found to be related to sexual abuse. No statistical data was given directly on homosexuality from this site because that isn't it's goal. It is, however, unbiased and for the most part, liberal.

This PDF however which I found on the above site, linking a tremendous amount of sources and a point by point survey shows 96.8% of it's partakers claim to struggle with homosexual issues (keep in mind that does not mean they are homosexual). The p value (for those of you who know statistics) is less than .01). I believe that "homosexual issues" includes overt fear or severe hatred of homosexuals as well. So the number for just ones who struggle with homosexuality should be lower. However, this report does show a direct correlation between homosexuality and having been abused as a child. Allow me to quote. Fortunately for me, the quote also includes other sources that agree with what I've been telling you guys. That this is significant.

"Many investigators have noted the pervasive concerns among sexually abused men about their sexual orientation (e.g. Myers 1989; Nasjleti, 1980). These concerns were evident in this sample, but they were primarily voiced by men who were abused by men (see Table 1). Most often the men expressed confusion over their sexuality and sexual orientation"

I hope these are enough sources for you Qingu. There are many other sources I could have gone to. Contrary to what I was afraid would come up, no sexually explicit sites did.

[Lightknight]

Thanks for convincing me to do that study, Bill, it really was a lot more enlightening than I had thought it'd be.

[Qingu]

I don't buy your first source (Family Research Institute), but I will certainly agree that child abuse or molestation victims may have a high correlation with people who identify themselves as gay. Thank you for trying to back up your statistics Gavin, and I hope next time you will not be so quick to throw out numbers in an argument.

[Lightknight]

Originally Posted by Qingu

I don't buy your first source (Family Research Institute), but I will certainly agree that child abuse or molestation victims may have a high correlation with people who identify themselves as gay. Thank you for trying to back up your statistics Gavin, and I hope next time you will not be so quick to throw out numbers in an argument.

Yeah, the first source does seem like one to really be biased. The only reason I left that up there is because that study and ones like it that agree are everywhere on the net right now I guess.

But I don't generally throw stuff out there, I really just didn't want to look that up on the net for the reasons I mentioned.