Who is into guns?

MyChainsAreGone · 07-28-2009, 09:44 PM

My Dad and Uncle have a lot of guns.

We just ( or he.. ) got a new SKS! Its loud.

guitarman531 · 10-18-2009, 11:42 AM

Glock 19. I really like shooting with this one

**scared2mosh** · 12-17-2009, 10:41 PM

I really want to get a Magnum 500... nothing quite like a handgun with as much power as a shotgun

(three times the muzzle velocity of a "Dirty Harry")

Ak_Man4Jesus · 12-17-2009, 11:17 PM

My Mom and Dad own a gun store.

I have had so many guns I forgot about most of them.

Right now I have
Rifles
Marlin 357
CZ 22
Savage 7mm/08
177 Pellet rifle (1200 FPS)
Marlin 45/70
Remington 358 Norma

Pistols
Ruger 45 Colt/45 ACP convertable
Nagnat 32/20
Contender 22 Hornet

guitarman531 · 12-25-2009, 11:09 PM

I just got a DeSantis "Cozy Partner" IWB leather holster for the Glock 19--it's absolutely great!

K45T · 10-29-2010, 08:20 AM

I have a 12 gauge Mossberg 500, a Savage .410 Bolt action, a borrowed .280, and a lever action 30-30. I want a 45 M1911 but one of good quality for under $1200 is hard to come by.

K45T · 10-29-2010, 08:21 AM

Especially on a 14 year old's budget. I want to join the Marines when I get out of high school, and I love to shoot when I can.

Bushman · 10-29-2010, 10:44 AM

I've got a couple...

I carry the Colt Officer's ACP in .45 caliber.

ethan_hanus · 10-29-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

You're 14. You don't HAVE a right to bear arms.

Sure he does, as long as the government doesn't find out. Pesky government.

And I believe it was the 45-70 govt that was popular back in the late 1800's for hand guns, maybe the 44 special, and I've even seen some 38's from the era. Either way, the guns were horribly inaccurate. I was lucky to even get a 1 foot grouping from 10 feet away with a Colt something or other using 44 special.

I have a 1918 Swedish Mauser 6.5x55mm, tis a very nice bolt action rifle, and a very quick one, it's interesting because instead of like most rifles, which cock the bolt on the back stroke, this model cocks the bolt on the up stroke, so as your pushing the bolt back in it cocks the bolt, making much easier, much faster, and less effort to cycle rounds.

Then I have a 1886 Gewher Repeater 11mm Manlicher. Huge rifle, the interesting thing about this gun is it has a straight pull back bolt. So to cycle a round, you don't have to life the bolt, then pull back, then push it in, then lock the bolt, its just pull back and push forward. Very quick bolt action. The only problem with it is it has a special stripper clip mag, unless you have the stripper clip, the rounds will not stay in the mag. I don't have any stripper clips for it, but I have a ton of ammo for it. An interesting thing about it is after you cycle the last round, the stripper clip is supposed to drop out the bottom of the mag, making for quicker loading. 386 grain lead bullet, and it does kick like a mule.

bobthecockroach · 10-29-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ethan_hanus

Sure he does, as long as the government doesn't find out. Pesky government.

Your understanding of the constitution fringes on absurd. The government is the one granting you the right to bear arms in the constitution. How can you expect the government to protect your rights by hiding from the government?

ethan_hanus · 10-29-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

Your understanding of the constitution fringes on absurd. The government is the one granting you the right to bear arms in the constitution. How can you expect the government to protect your rights by hiding from the government?

Nine, it's God, or divine providence granting you the rights to bear arms, not the government. If the government grants you your rights, then they can take them away, so what's the point of having the bill of rights if the government can just say" Uh, we don't like that amendment anymore, so it no longer applies, because we give you your rights, and you have no say in the matter." That's not how the founders designed it. The Bill of rights says what the government CAN NOT take away from you, what they CAN NOT restrict, what they CAN NOT control.

The whole point of the bill of rights is to state what your rights are given by God. If God gives you your rights, then man cannot change them to fit their own selfish needs, if government gives you your rights, then man can change them to whatever they want.

Read the constitution for once, please, I beg of you, you act as if you know what the document says, but you have no idea, you just repeat what you've been told.

Now stop arguing, this thread is about guns, not about the 2nd amendment.

**slap_j** · 10-29-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

The government is the one granting you the right to bear arms in the constitution. How can you expect the government to protect your rights by hiding from the government?

Protecting rights and granting rights are not the same thing. Whether a 14 year old person has a right to own a firearm is a philosphical issue. Whether the government recognizes and protects such a right is a legal one. In any case, federal law prohibits purchace of a handgun before 21 and purchase of a long gun before 18. You also cannot possess a handgun before 18 (with a few exceptions). Whether you can legally possess a long gun before the age of 18 is left to the states to decide.

Also, ethan, the constitution says nothing about what rights God grants us as far as Christian theology is concerned.

bobthecockroach · 10-29-2010, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ethan_hanus

Nine, it's God, or divine providence granting you the rights to bear arms, not the government. If the government grants you your rights, then they can take them away, so what's the point of having the bill of rights if the government can just say" Uh, we don't like that amendment anymore, so it no longer applies, because we give you your rights, and you have no say in the matter." That's not how the founders designed it. The Bill of rights says what the government CAN NOT take away from you, what they CAN NOT restrict, what they CAN NOT control.

The whole point of the bill of rights is to state what your rights are given by God. If God gives you your rights, then man cannot change them to fit their own selfish needs, if government gives you your rights, then man can change them to whatever they want.

1. God isn't even mentioned in the constitution, including the amendments. The preamble to the Bill of Rights expressly states that the purpose of the bill was to prevent "misconstruction or abuse of [the Constitution's] powers." Nowhere is God mentioned at all.

2. Even if God was mentioned in the constitution, it wouldn't mean the constitution was approved by God.

3. God speaks through Scripture, not U.S. government documents. If God wanted to grant us the right to bear arms, he would've said so in Scripture. On what basis do you come to the conclusion that the right to bear arms is from God? Because it's in the Constitution? Then how did they know to put it in the Constitution? How did THEY know that the right to bear arms was from God? You have given no reason for any of your beliefs about the Constitution.

4. The government CAN take away and grant rights. The 13th amendment took away the right to own slaves and granted slaves some of the rights other Americans enjoyed at the time. The 15th amendment granted people of color the right to vote. The 18th amendment took away the right to produce and consume alcoholic beverages. The 21st amendment brought it back.

5. The rights granted in the constitution cover topics which it is absurd to suggest are granted by God. God grants U.S. citizens the right to vote in U.S. elections? That's an absurd notion. There is no reason to believe from scripture that God cares about our right to be U.S. citizens or vote in U.S. elections. In fact, the Bible tells us that we should not even think of ourselves as citizens of the world.

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Read the constitution for once, please, I beg of you, you act as if you know what the document says, but you have no idea, you just repeat what you've been told.

Now stop arguing, this thread is about guns, not about the 2nd amendment.

If you can't respect the people you are talking to you, how can you expect them to listen to you?

WorshipJesus · 10-29-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushman

I've got a couple...

I carry the Colt Officer's ACP in .45 caliber.

Wow.. i'd be happy if i could just get my springfield xd 40 haha

**Role Modlin** · 10-29-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ethan_hanus

Nine, it's God, or divine providence granting you the rights to bear arms, not the government. If the government grants you your rights, then they can take them away, so what's the point of having the bill of rights if the government can just say" Uh, we don't like that amendment anymore, so it no longer applies, because we give you your rights, and you have no say in the matter." That's not how the founders designed it. The Bill of rights says what the government CAN NOT take away from you, what they CAN NOT restrict, what they CAN NOT control.

The whole point of the bill of rights is to state what your rights are given by God. If God gives you your rights, then man cannot change them to fit their own selfish needs, if government gives you your rights, then man can change them to whatever they want.

Read the constitution for once, please, I beg of you, you act as if you know what the document says, but you have no idea, you just repeat what you've been told.

Now stop arguing, this thread is about guns, not about the 2nd amendment.

I'd like some biblical support for your assertion that the right to bear arms comes from God.

I'd also like you to stop being so rude.

Seriously.