[exo]

Originally Posted by Humphrey B Bear

I didn't need to ask them they let me know many times in no uncertain terms and in many different ways that they don't see anything wrong with the way they live.
One of them (please note I'm not calling them "them" for any other reason apart from keeping their names off this forum I don't think either of them would like to have their names on a Christian forum) writes novels and is told what to write by voices in her head she is also into fortune telling using tarot cards hand writting engagement rings horoscopes tea etc.
I would love to help them out as I truely have become quite friendly with them they have seemed to have gotten past the prejudices they hold for Christians but I have no clue where to start, it is even harder because they are together if one of them became a Christian they would have to break up and knowing these two I would be killed shortly after (not that I'm afraid of dying). That is only two of the people I have mentioned, and it just dawned on me there are heaps of other people at work livin in sinful hetro relationships. Why should the whole gay thing make one group of people stand out more than another and anyways Who am I to judge!
really my eyes are so full of logs
Humph

The best piece of advice I can give is this: They will know you are Christian by your love. Yes, you can talk with them about Christ and tell them the Gospel, but your actions will speak volumes more than your words.

[Reedolo]

Originally Posted by Humphrey B Bear

I didn't need to ask them they let me know many times in no uncertain terms and in many different ways that they don't see anything wrong with the way they live.
One of them (please note I'm not calling them "them" for any other reason apart from keeping their names off this forum I don't think either of them would like to have their names on a Christian forum) writes novels and is told what to write by voices in her head she is also into fortune telling using tarot cards hand writting engagement rings horoscopes tea etc.
I would love to help them out as I truely have become quite friendly with them they have seemed to have gotten past the prejudices they hold for Christians but I have no clue where to start, it is even harder because they are together if one of them became a Christian they would have to break up and knowing these two I would be killed shortly after (not that I'm afraid of dying). That is only two of the people I have mentioned, and it just dawned on me there are heaps of other people at work livin in sinful hetro relationships. Why should the whole gay thing make one group of people stand out more than another and anyways Who am I to judge!
really my eyes are so full of logs
Humph

Has she published her novels? Or is that confidential information? I'm really curious, i would like to read a novel by someone who claimed to hear voices.

[SeekerOLight]

If you are the 6th best wrestler in the state, how did he 'get' you into a corner?

I know alot of gay people and if you just tell them you are straight...they will not hit on you. Period. Dont take drastic steps unless he was touching on you or something. I am pretty sure you are blowing the situation out of proportion because he is a homosexual. Just tell him to back off....that you didnt appreciate him tring to physically intimidate you, that you are arent gay...and that if he does it again YOU WILL press charges and have him fired.

Dont get him fired if it might have been just a misunderstanding.

[Lightknight]

Originally Posted by deerboy

So, I've been working at Red Robin for a while now, and realized I have 6 gay coworkers. They include gay, lesbian, and bi. One of the guys has actually tried hitting on me. What is a way that I can say no or whatever to him without sounding condemning? I want to keep a Christ-like example the whole time. One of the times he tried, he forced me into a corner, and I 'informed' him I was one the best wrestlers in the state for my weight. What is a better way to respond?

Hello there there fellow wrestler. I was known to be able to beat state champs in wrestling, but I didn't stay in it for long enough to make a title for myself (I was a dual enrollment student at the local university so I didn't have the time).

This is a clear-cut case of sexual abuse. You have warned him, hopefully he gets the drift and stops. If he does it again, defend yourself if necessary and report him. If there are camera's in your store, try to remain in range, you are completely in the right here.

I have personally been in a situation similar to yours. But I am large enough to not need to explain to people that I can defend myself so I have never been pushed into a corner. I have learned to simply say, "No, I'm not homosexual." It is important not to shun homosexuals or avoid conversation with them. Such is the love of Christ to draw near to these people and show them righteous love. But remember, this one guy has harrassed you, showing love to him does not imply putting yourself in bad situations where he might feel willing to try again. I have found that through actually caring for the person and helping them with things they need they are much more likely to listen to me on religious things.

One real example:
I spent a lot of time helping a homosexual with her community service projects at my old college. I was always willing to help with whatever I could do and always treated her politely. I did question her about her beliefs and such but I did not do so out of a stance of judgement or superiority. One day she expressed her anger at a Christian girl at the school who outright condemns her. I told her I was very sorry that she was being treated so unlovingly and asked her, "but what if I told you I also believe homosexuality is a sin?" To which she replied, "I don't give a damn, at least you don't treat me like dirt."

So remember, the love of Christ is the best way to act around people living in sin. But that NEVER means that you should just let them do things like that to you.

[Lightknight]

Originally Posted by SeekerOLight

If you are the 6th best wrestler in the state, how did he 'get' you into a corner?

I know alot of gay people and if you just tell them you are straight...they will not hit on you. Period. Dont take drastic steps unless he was touching on you or something. I am pretty sure you are blowing the situation out of proportion because he is a homosexual. Just tell him to back off....that you didnt appreciate him tring to physically intimidate you, that you are arent gay...and that if he does it again YOU WILL press charges and have him fired.

Dont get him fired if it might have been just a misunderstanding.

Even when I was a wrestler, I hated the idea of hurting people even while defending myself (I hate the idea of causing pain to others, it's not a religious qualm with self-defense at all and I would fight back if provoked enough), I assume that the guy took a step towards him and he took a step back and it repeated until he was in the corner. In which case he correctly warned him that he had the desire AND the means to resist him. Also, being a wrestler doesn't mean you are big. Weight plays a large part in wrestling. I can beat two 103 lb. wrestling champions at the same time and that's still much easier than wrestling one 215 lb person. A significant weight difference is therefore naturally daunting to the best of wrestlers just as it is in boxing.

That being said, I agree that simply saying you aren't gay is usually most effective. But considering he was physically backed into a corner, I don't see this as blowing things out of proportion.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by deerboy

So, I've been working at Red Robin for a while now, and realized I have 6 gay coworkers. They include gay, lesbian, and bi. One of the guys has actually tried hitting on me. What is a way that I can say no or whatever to him without sounding condemning? I want to keep a Christ-like example the whole time. One of the times he tried, he forced me into a corner, and I 'informed' him I was one the best wrestlers in the state for my weight. What is a better way to respond?

If he threatens you physically in this way, you have the moral and legal right to defend yourself physically by hurting him.

Sharing the gospel would be preferable. But if he threatens you physically, don't hesitate to defend yourself with physical force.

[bobthecockroach]

If you have a cell phone, pull it out and let him watch you dial 911.

[Lightknight]

Originally Posted by Travis

If he threatens you physically in this way, you have the moral and legal right to defend yourself physically by hurting him.

Sharing the gospel would be preferable. But if he threatens you physically, don't hesitate to defend yourself with physical force.

Yeah, the exact same advice should be given to a Christian female being harrassed by a male she doesn't feel attraction to.

[SeekerOLight]

Originally Posted by Lightknight

Even when I was a wrestler, I hated the idea of hurting people even while defending myself (I hate the idea of causing pain to others, it's not a religious qualm with self-defense at all and I would fight back if provoked enough), I assume that the guy took a step towards him and he took a step back and it repeated until he was in the corner. In which case he correctly warned him that he had the desire AND the means to resist him. Also, being a wrestler doesn't mean you are big. Weight plays a large part in wrestling. I can beat two 103 lb. wrestling champions at the same time and that's still much easier than wrestling one 215 lb person. A significant weight difference is therefore naturally daunting to the best of wrestlers just as it is in boxing.

That being said, I agree that simply saying you aren't gay is usually most effective. But considering he was physically backed into a corner, I don't see this as blowing things out of proportion.

I just meant. Wrestlers.....are not intimidated very easily. Especially by a gay man.

Why would he get backed into a corner in a public place?

I have had gay men come up and touch my shoulder and offer to buy me a drink before....I just told them...no thanks, I am straight. And it was all good.

In my life...most people blow homosexual advances out of proportion. If a woman was talking his ear off...and walked him into a corner. W/O touching him...would you scream sexual harrassment? Probably not.



but as i said before. if he touches you. lay him out...and call the police.

[ICTHUS]

Originally Posted by Lightknight

Yeah, the exact same advice should be given to a Christian female being harrassed by a male she doesn't feel attraction to.

A Christian female being harassed by a male...period. Even if she is attracted to him.

A person you're attracted to can still sexually harass you.

[Lightknight]

Originally Posted by ICTHUS

A Christian female being harassed by a male...period. Even if she is attracted to him.

A person you're attracted to can still sexually harass you.

What I meant, though I worded it wrong, is that there is a difference between wanted attention and not wanted attention. One is harrassment and the other is not.

[Lightknight]

Originally Posted by SeekerOLight

I just meant. Wrestlers.....are not intimidated very easily. Especially by a gay man.

Why would he get backed into a corner in a public place?

I have had gay men come up and touch my shoulder and offer to buy me a drink before....I just told them...no thanks, I am straight. And it was all good.

In my life...most people blow homosexual advances out of proportion. If a woman was talking his ear off...and walked him into a corner. W/O touching him...would you scream sexual harrassment? Probably not.



but as i said before. if he touches you. lay him out...and call the police.

People react differently to different people. I have backed up before when I feel my personal space being invaded. Whether it's a girl or a boy I'll back up.

[Elationist]

Enough said, this is one of the best advice threads I have ever seen. Everyone on here has answered excellently! I wish more people would respond like this in the Christian body.