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Unread 01-23-2006, 12:18 PM   #1
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The Nature and Means of Salvation

Along with the inspiration of Scripture thread that bobthecockroach has started, this is a spinoff of the "Desires" thread.

What is the nature of salvation?

What is the means of salvation?

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Unread 01-23-2006, 01:06 PM   #2
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Along with the inspiration of Scripture thread that bobthecockroach has started, this is a spinoff of the "Desires" thread.

What is the nature of salvation?

What is the means of salvation?
I'll answer the easy one, the second one.

The means of salvation is God. Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Salvation is a gift, freely given by God.
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Unread 01-23-2006, 01:43 PM   #3
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I think it was said best (aside from Scripture) when it was said that salvation is fourfold. We are saved from the pleasure, penalty, power, and (in the future) presence of sin.
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Unread 01-23-2006, 07:44 PM   #4
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Along with the inspiration of Scripture thread that bobthecockroach has started, this is a spinoff of the "Desires" thread.

What is the nature of salvation?

What is the means of salvation?
I believe that the nature of salvation is communion with God, often described in the tradition as 'entering into the life of the Blessed Trinity' or the 'Beatific Vision'.

The means is the life, death, and resurrection of Christ (yes, all 3).
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Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opnions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although 'they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion
(St. Augustine The Literal Meaning of Genesis I.19.39)

Note: (due to confusion) Augustine here is writing against those who interpret Genesis "literally" (i.e. 6 day creation)
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Unread 01-24-2006, 10:28 AM   #5
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The means is the life, death, and resurrection of Christ (yes, all 3).
This is fine in part but this alone does not save. One has to have the grace to believe that Jesus was the Christ, this grace comes as a gift from God. Jesus's life, death, and resurrection will not save one who does not believe He was who He was.
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This is fine in part but this alone does not save. One has to have the grace to believe that Jesus was the Christ, this grace comes as a gift from God. Jesus's life, death, and resurrection will not save one who does not believe He was who He was.
Very true; I did not mention the need for the appropriation in faith which is essential.
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Unread 01-24-2006, 11:15 AM   #7
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The means is the life, death, and resurrection of Christ (yes, all 3).
What about the Ascension? I always thought that was an interesting line of reasoning to pursue.
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Unread 01-24-2006, 11:22 PM   #8
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Salvation isn't a thing it is a Person, the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the means of salvation. The man Simeon, when they brought the child to be circumcised, said; Luk 2:29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:
Luk 2:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation
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I'll try the first one: The Nature of Salvation.
The nature of salvation is to unite mankind in relationship with God the creator. I believe salvation was meant to allow us to understand and communicate with God in a way we never could in any other way. He didn't create salvation so we 'wouldn't have to go to Hell.' He created it because he loved us and he wanted to show us how much he cares for us.
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The nature of salvation:
To unite us with God. To break the separation caused by sin.
The means of salvation:
Repent and believe on the redemption from Jesus Christ.
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