Church of Christ...?

jnb4titans · 12-28-2005, 04:06 PM

Ok... don't stone me... I go to the Church of Christ... but I have also spent my fair share of time at the Baptist Church, most of my friends are Baptist, my girlfriend is Baptist, so on and so forth

. I like different several aspects of both congregations, but I was just wondering...

first of all: Why is there no Church of Christ sub-forum,

second: What do ya'll think of the good ole' C of C?

and thirdly: What opportunities or experiences do ya'll have with instrumental worship in the Church of Christ? because I would be greatly interested in hearing about that...

Thanks, I look forward to seeing what everybody has to say

4Glory · 12-28-2005, 05:43 PM

I brought my guitar to a church of Christ worship season and they only wanted acapella worship, mind you they sing beautifully without insturments but from my experiance they don't use any inturments to worship.
They seem sinceer and follow the bible but i"m not an expert in thier doctrine on anything like that.
Nice people from my experience.

jnb4titans · 12-28-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Glory

I brought my guitar to a church of Christ worship season and they only wanted acapella worship, mind you they sing beautifully without insturments but from my experiance they don't use any inturments to worship.
They seem sinceer and follow the bible but i"m not an expert in thier doctrine on anything like that.
Nice people from my experience.

Right, I know my church does not allow instruments at all

believe it or not... in fact you'd probably be better off not mentioning instruments in my church but I was wondering if anybody has experience with a Church of Christ that does allow instrumental worship... other than that the Church of Christ believes that baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation (which I don't quite agree with either)... we have communion every week... those are the main things along with A capella worship.

thessalonian · 12-28-2005, 07:40 PM

I am not a member of the COC but have discussed musical instruments with them. They do not use them. A couple of verses they use to justify this belief that it is wrong to use them are:

Eph 5
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Col 3
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

These verses are pretty light on forbidding musical instruments if you ask me.
There also were supposedly no musical instruments before 600 AD. This may or may not be true. But that they did not exist seems to me to be nuetral. In that context it would seem that the verses above were written in the context of the time of Paul. He would not have had a notion of musical instruments to acknowledge or forbid. Silence is a very poor determining factor in exegesis of scripture. The COC is taking sola scriptura to the extreme. It does seem they ignore verses such as the following:

Neh 12
27: And at the dedication of the wall of Jerusalem they sought the Levites in all their places, to bring them to Jerusalem to celebrate the dedication with gladness, with thanksgivings and with singing, with cymbals, harps, and lyres.

There are many other verses mentioning cymbals, lyres, and harps.

Blessings

TheProdigalModern · 12-28-2005, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jnb4titans

first of all: Why is there no Church of Christ sub-forum,

There hasn't been sufficient need, as of yet.

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second: What do ya'll think of the good ole' C of C?

Like most Christian groups, it depends on the congregation. Some can be quite cultish (e.g. claiming not to be a "denomination," but the actual church that Christ founded--as opposed to the handful of others that make that same claim), but my experience with CoC members in general has been pleasant.

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and thirdly: What opportunities or experiences do ya'll have with instrumental worship in the Church of Christ? because I would be greatly interested in hearing about that...

None whatsoever...Though I've never been in an actual CoC service.

**Role Modlin** · 12-28-2005, 11:21 PM

Keep in mind that there are also Instrumental Churches of Christ as well. I happen to be the youth minister for one and we have LOTS of instruments.

**Role Modlin** · 12-29-2005, 09:12 AM

HERE is a pretty good site on the CoC. Lots of things to read.

CaribouMaster · 12-30-2005, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by thessalonian

There also were supposedly no musical instruments before 600 AD. This may or may not be true.

Wow, I have to comment on that, for it is amazingly false. There are records and artifacts from countries around the world making music BC. Even by biblical example:

Gen 4:21 His brother's name was Jubal; he was the father of all those who play the lyre and pipe.

Dan 3:5 that at the moment you hear the sound of the horn, flute, lyre, trigon, psaltery, bagpipe and all kinds of music, you are to fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king has set up.

The Nehemiah verse you posted, no end of psalms, pretty much anything Old Testament refutes that because it's ALL before 600 AD.

Insane Drummer · 12-30-2005, 09:31 PM

No instruments before 600AD? Ha... I am convinced Adam was the first drummer.

**thesteve** · 12-30-2005, 10:23 PM

my girlfriend goes to a CoC, and I've attended their college group a few times and loved it. of course, i've been told they're a pretty loose CoC. The college group has three (That I know of) really good guitarists who play for that class. I guess their main congregation doesnt' have instruments, but I don't think it's something I necessarily disagree with. I know they use certain verses to back it up or whatever, but from some of the ones i've talked to, it seems to be focused more around a pride issue moreso than anything else.

**Role Modlin** · 12-31-2005, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Insane Drummer

No instruments before 600AD? Ha... I am convinced Adam was the first drummer.

Makes you wonder what all those harps, lyres, and cymbals in the Psalms are.

**Role Modlin** · 12-31-2005, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by thesteve

my girlfriend goes to a CoC, and I've attended their college group a few times and loved it. of course, i've been told they're a pretty loose CoC. The college group has three (That I know of) really good guitarists who play for that class. I guess their main congregation doesnt' have instruments, but I don't think it's something I necessarily disagree with. I know they use certain verses to back it up or whatever, but from some of the ones i've talked to, it seems to be focused more around a pride issue moreso than anything else.

I'm a life-long member of the OTHER CoC and I can safely say that they (non-intsrumentals) have no solid Biblical grounds for their non-instrumental stance. I think they have the right to NOT use them, just don't make it a test of fellowship.

thessalonian · 12-31-2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CaribouMaster

Wow, I have to comment on that, for it is amazingly false. There are records and artifacts from countries around the world making music BC. Even by biblical example:

Gen 4:21 His brother's name was Jubal; he was the father of all those who play the lyre and pipe.

Dan 3:5 that at the moment you hear the sound of the horn, flute, lyre, trigon, psaltery, bagpipe and all kinds of music, you are to fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king has set up.

The Nehemiah verse you posted, no end of psalms, pretty much anything Old Testament refutes that because it's ALL before 600 AD.

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Amen.

thessalonian · 12-31-2005, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Modlin

I'm a life-long member of the OTHER CoC and I can safely say that they (non-intsrumentals) have no solid Biblical grounds for their non-instrumental stance. I think they have the right to NOT use them, just don't make it a test of fellowship.

Amen to that as well. At our church we sing accapella many times during lent. That's just fine. One who sings prays twice according to Augustine. It does help me to focus on words to sing them. Instuments help bring out the soul of the music I believe but they are not neccessary.

nChrist2 · 05-22-2006, 04:47 PM

jnb4titans,
I am a Baptist Pastor. That does not make me the authority on all things! However the Bible is God's authority for us in all things. There is nothing wrong with worshipping God with musical instruments as long as that is truly what you are doing...worshipping Him! Several excellent verses have already been shared with you. I am going to give you three more specific passages but first will pose a question for you to let God answer for you. I believe it will be very easy for you. Will sin or anything sinful be allowed into heaven? Your answer? Then read Revelations 5:8, 14:2, 15:2 scriptures clearly taking place in heaven.

Proverbs 3:5,6