[redbaron]

Well, it is finally time for me to go ahead and swap out the ol' motor in the galant. The current motor is strong running, no issues, etc, I just wanted to go to something a little bit more daily driver friendly (especially with the larger turbo that I want to get).

I recently picked up a six bolt motor with 9:1 wiseco's, eagle rods, arp hardware, etc. that is going in.

Right now i'm still in the middle of pulling the old setup out, and doing a few maint. items. New manifold gaskets, TOB, crush washers, etc. basic stuff. I'm also going to be putting the front susp. back together enough to roll the car into the driveway, and degrease/scrub/simple green the crap out of the thing. I HATE working on dirty cars, so this is a great opportunity to really clean stuff up.

directory of images sorry they aren't in a gallery, but I haven't had time to get 'em going yet. each directory has a folder called "thumbs" with the smaller (size & filesize) pics in it.

fun stuff. the 16g on the 9:1 is a fantastic street car setup IMO. } boost all the time, and it will pull hard, with proper tuning. I'm going to probably go from 550cc's to 720cc injectors(???), since my duty cycle is already too high, IMO.

Anyhow, just figured I'd share, since it's one of those major projects that takes a lot of effort.

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Click on the images to see the full size, if you want.

12/14

starting to get some parts removed


ruh roh rorge! Looks like the turbo had something for lunch at some point. Luckily no shaft play, and it still boosts well. [knock on wood]


Got the turbo out of the car, starting to get it cleaned up


big ol' empty spot


Time's up for the night.... must sleep


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12/17 (early AM-Afternoon)

more work begins!

RC550 injectors (going to be sold soon, 750 or 850 on the way)



Pulling the fuel rail & FPR. Ooooh, shiny



more crap removed, future airbox location (need to build ducting)



fun with pulling stuff out, to pull axles out of the gearbox



out with the old!



out I say! (look at john, and sleep deprivation effects!)



new... precious... [/gollum]



1337 "keeping crap out of the cylinders" tools



the current state of the car



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Fun stuff. next week (maybe monday) i'm going to start working on putting things back together. One of the biggest things is getting everything on the car cleaned, degreased & spiffy before it goes back on. I don't really need to hurry, as this was a voluntary swap, and I have the talon to drive.

[gtrdave]

Looks good.

Your turbo looks familiar...years ago I had a Shelby Charger (2.2l/turbo I) that, after running well for about a year, suddenly lost all boost without warning.
I was feelin' low, to say the least, not really wanting to dish out the $$$ for a new turbocharger but I went forth and removed what I expected to be a seized unit from the car.
Upon close inspection of the jammed blades I found a 1" x 1" chunk of metal jammed in them. All I can guess is that it was flashing from the original casting process in the creation of the exhaust manifold that finally broke loose and stuck itself into the blades, making the turbo no go.

I pulled the chunk from the blades, spun them, everything looked good, reinstalled the turbo and all was well with my little Dodge.

Thank God.

[Wally]

I found my motor pull/install to be pretty fun. How much did you pay for the built motor and what turbo you plan on running on that hitting. Something small like a GT42R? For real though, a fiddy-trim would prolly own, or a 3052 if you want a couple teaspoons of lag with your power.

Engine Mangement? I'm lookin to hit up some dsmlink after the 20g, FMIC, 720's (picked up all three off POS for 1400), and the Pina 3inch TBE go in.

[mattslope]

Redbaron and Wally rock my sox.

[Wally]

Don't worry Matt, once you get the Solstice you'll out corner the whole lot of us . Hey, I may actually try to take a trip up there this coming summer. Will was talking about trying to get together a huge POS shootout (and I'm sure the rest of the NWDSMers) and I've got some vacation time lined up for this summer as well.

I doubt I'd try to get the dizzum up there but I'll sure fly and ride in someones.

[mattslope]

Originally Posted by Wally

Don't worry Matt, once you get the Solstice you'll out corner the whole lot of us . Hey, I may actually try to take a trip up there this coming summer. Will was talking about trying to get together a huge POS shootout (and I'm sure the rest of the NWDSMers) and I've got some vacation time lined up for this summer as well.

I doubt I'd try to get the dizzum up there but I'll sure fly and ride in someones.

Fatty. I'd happily offer a couch to crash on should you take that trip. Man, this would make the DSM get together that much better.

[redbaron]

I had typed up a mega huge post the other day to reply, but it got lost. Stupid quick reply box.

anyhow-

I found my motor pull/install to be pretty fun. How much did you pay for the built motor and what turbo you plan on running on that hitting. Something small like a GT42R? For real though, a fiddy-trim would prolly own, or a 3052 if you want a couple teaspoons of lag with your power.

This is going to be a 92 octane ONLY street car. 3052 for the win. I expect that full boost will be in the <3500 range by a good bit. Taylor (WRX19) is running a GT30-something (non-fp turbo), and on stock 7.8:1 pistons, he's seeing 20lbs at 3500rpm. I think I can do better than that with the 9:1 pistons. Oh, and the motor was about $1200. It was pretty much a steal of a deal.

Engine Mangement? I'm lookin to hit up some dsmlink after the 20g, FMIC, 720's (picked up all three off POS for 1400), and the Pina 3inch TBE go in.

I can't believe you got all that stuff for 1400 bucks. dang! did you get the fmic from Stock? :P

I'm probably going with dsmlink on this car. It's on the laundry list, basically. Along with some FP2x's, dual valve springs, 850cc's, bosch 044, hotbits, etc.

I promised myself that i was not allowed to even consider buying an AEM EMS for this car until I had:

a) bought a house
b) started getting the talon project on the road.

[Wally]

3052 for the win.

Ooo, I'm jealous

I can't believe you got all that stuff for 1400 bucks. dang! did you get the fmic from Stock? :P

Nahh, Duggy pm'd me about the Pina thread where I mentioned picking up a Kinetic FMIC to replace my pos fmic I've got now. Said he had one that was piped for a 20g. I was skeptical about having to fabbed up some pipe over just buying a new kit, so he offered the 20g in as well as the injectors. (offered a safc2 and a pocketlogger for 250 more but I've got that junk already).

I'm probably going with dsmlink on this car. It's on the laundry list, basically. Along with some FP2x's, dual valve springs, 850cc's, bosch 044, hotbits, etc.

Yummy, FP2x's. I'd like to go that route, but I'd have to put in new dual valve springs, so I'll prolly end up going with some FP2's or the classic 272's. And you sound so unhappy with DSMlink, like it sucks or something Is AEM that much better?

[redbaron]

well, dsmlink does kick some major behind. It is however not in the same level as an AEM EMS, Autotronic, or Haltech (of which, the AEM has more support, and has gone faster than anything else on a 4g63, period).

With DSMlink, they hope to have native GM Maf support "eventually" which would reduce the need for the translator. They will likely never support MAP, and there is simply less power & whatnot available. Part of that is the limit of the stock ECU.

Let's say you go dsmlink, and you have a non eprom 1g. Here are your costs:

$250 - Eprom ECU
$565 - DSMlink
$100 - New GM MAF
$200 - MAF-Translator

with that, you're sitting at $815 for just the ecu, and then if you want to go past the 2g maf, you're looking at an extra $350.

AEM EMS for the 1g is $1600 with all of the sensors, and somewhat less without them. I've yet to hear one person who has gone from dsmlink to AEM complain about the setup. Most say that they seem to have more power at the top, while having better daily driveability.

FWIW.

sounds like you got the hookup from duggy. when's that stuff going on the car?

[mattslope]

Redbaron, does having higher compression actually help the turbo to spool sooner, or does it only reduce the "lag" experienced by low comp pistons while out of boost?

[Wally]

Originally Posted by redbaron

well, dsmlink does kick some major behind. It is however not in the same level as an AEM EMS, Autotronic, or Haltech (of which, the AEM has more support, and has gone faster than anything else on a 4g63, period).

With DSMlink, they hope to have native GM Maf support "eventually" which would reduce the need for the translator. They will likely never support MAP, and there is simply less power & whatnot available. Part of that is the limit of the stock ECU.

Let's say you go dsmlink, and you have a non eprom 1g. Here are your costs:

$250 - Eprom ECU
$565 - DSMlink
$100 - New GM MAF
$200 - MAF-Translator

with that, you're sitting at $815 for just the ecu, and then if you want to go past the 2g maf, you're looking at an extra $350.

AEM EMS for the 1g is $1600 with all of the sensors, and somewhat less without them. I've yet to hear one person who has gone from dsmlink to AEM complain about the setup. Most say that they seem to have more power at the top, while having better daily driveability.

So say I'm sitting here with a 1g non eprom, 2g maf and wanted to go to dsmlink, what outside of an eprom and dsmlink would I be needing?

Me = ignant bout tuning/tuning devices

FWIW.

sounds like you got the hookup from duggy. when's that stuff going on the car?

I'm gonna give him the rest of the cash on the 15th when I get paid again from UPS. 51hrs + 58hrs on a check FTW

[redbaron]

Originally Posted by mattslope

Redbaron, does having higher compression actually help the turbo to spool sooner, or does it only reduce the "lag" experienced by low comp pistons while out of boost?

well, some of both, to an extent. Obviously, a higher compression motor will have a lot more power when the turbo is not spooled up, so it feels better driving around town.

Also, with higher static compression, the turbo will spool up earlier, due to the force of the exhaust gasses. Consider that a stock DSM with 7.8:1 pistons is 150psi compression, and 9:1 is 195psi compression. It's a significant difference.

My experience on this motor in the green car, was that the evo3 16g built 20lbs faster than most 14b cars.

[redbaron]

update!

shiny engine images:

this is the head, when zak and I had it off (back before I bought the motor) Look how nice & shiney!



bottom end (oil pan off)



note the nice Eagle H-beams, and the full ARP rod & main hardware. 1337.

[mattslope]

It actually looks sessier in person. I was glad that I had pants on.

[redbaron]

so lately i've:

done a little engine bay scrubbing



scrubbed the transmission



and the transfer case



Got some new 850cc injectors (old rc550's next to 'em, as well as the cam angle sensor)



got the flywheel bolted up



and then the clutch (fear the ACT 2600 in all it's left leg murdering glory)



popped the transmission on



and the starter & AC compressor



even threw the exhaust manifold studs on there



oh, and I bought the old girl a new set of teeth:



Here's the Front mount, and the hood in my theater room, where my landlord's somewhat klutzy wife can't knock things over on them



more to come tomorrow most likely. Matt is coming over, and we'll see if we can't get the beast dropped into the car- then it's just hooking up simple stuff, installing the injectors, and then fabricating the mounting stuff for the intercooler. Fun stuff.