[R Morris]

Travis and guitarmonkey. How bout ya'll (see, I is.. am a Southerner) start another thread on the Civil War?

Neil Young, Southern man don't need him around anyhow...

Richard

[Leboman]

Off we go to History.

[stringsamateur]

Originally Posted by R Morris

I was at work yesterday and I don't know how it can up, but I was accused of "talking like a Yankee". This is two times in the three years I've lived here, in Mississippi. This is really starting to bother me. Some background. I was born in Jacksonville Florida in a very southern family. Rednecks if you will. Moved to Dallas Texas when I was 8. Now Texas is in the south but not like the deep south (Mississippi Georgia, the Carolinas ect). Most Texans have much less of an accent than the average person from the deep south, more so in larger cities like Dallas, Houston, or Austin. So I really never had much of an accent. Top that off with the fact that I try to speak as well as I can, that is, I actually perform subject verb agreement without thinking about it. So now I'm ostracized for being all uppity or a Yankee. No offense to anyone from north of the Mason-Dixon, but that's an insult down here. It reminds me of black kids who try to be articulate and get the same treatment from their friends, like, "what er you tryin to be, white or somethin"?

Both are wrong. What an absolutely stupid way of thinking.

I live in the midwest, which is north of the Mason-Dixon, but I've never been referred to as a Yankee nor have heard anyone being referred to as a Yankee. This subject has never been discussed up here, and I don't know what's so good OR bad about being called a Yankee..

[Than]

Being called a Yankee should be taken as the highest compliment someone could pay you. Don't listen to Travis, he's been basking in that Texas heat for too long. Why, if I weren't a Yankee, I would probably think that they are the coolest people to walk the Earth. I'm not biased either, and that's on the record.

[R Morris]

Originally Posted by stringsamateur

I live in the midwest, which is north of the Mason-Dixon, but I've never been referred to as a Yankee nor have heard anyone being referred to as a Yankee. This subject has never been discussed up here, and I don't know what's so good OR bad about being called a Yankee..

Northern states west of the Mississippi don't count. Yankee should be reserved for the real deal. Anyone from, or north of, Philadelphia, (New York and Boston in particular) you know the ones with the funny accents...

Richard

PS I'm still chapped that my thread got highjacked

*plays Red, White, and Blue by Lynyrd Skynyrd to reassure himself it's gonna be ok...*

[JerryLove]

The point is that one must make sure that the slave he is buying is legitimately a slave and not a kidnapped individual. If people become slaves because they cannot pay back the money they owe because of their theft, they can legitimately be sold or bought (but they will still be released after their debt is repaid or after seven years.) It is the responsibility of the slave buyer to make sure that the slaves he purchases were not kidnapped.

Please point me to a Biblical release after 7 years for non-Jewesh slaves.

All you’re giving us is absolute anarchy and a universe in which anyone can do whatever they want. Hitler was just as “right” to kill millions of Jews as Mother Teresa was to feed hungry children, for neither action is any more right or wrong than the other. If that’s what you want to believe, fine, but I don’t think you really do.

I do.

You are angered and offended at the brutal acts of Hitler, and you have often become very angry with me because of my political views.

Because they conflict with my subjective morals.

For you the issue of whether Hitler was wrong should be much more akin to questions of whether apple pie or pumpkin pie tastes better; maybe something to argue about, but nothing to really get bent out of shape over.

So you assert. That doesn't make it true. Just because something is subjective does not mean that it's not dearly held, contentious, nor important and sensitive to the person that holds it.

[qoute]You might wish to argue that it ultimately boils down to that, but there’s no question that if we take my worldview as wholly true in its claims then there is indeed objective, universal morality[/quote] And that morality is "what God thinks is right is right". Of course, we could also say "what Q says is right is right" and have an "objective" morality.

It's objective when it exists, when it can be tested for and the results are the same regardless of the tester. All you've basically said is that "God's morals are objectve", which is no different than saying "Jerry's morals are objective", that meaning that my morals are the same no matter who interacts with them or what you think they are.

[Grasshopper359]

Originally Posted by R Morris

Northern states west of the Mississippi don't count. Yankee should be reserved for the real deal. Anyone from, or north of, Philadelphia, (New York and Boston in particular) you know the ones with the funny accents...

I used to listen to this Christian radio station from Buffalo, when I lived in Southern Ontario, and there was a preacher from Boston whose show came on once a week. At the end of every show, when he was giving the address, it was "Bwwoh-ah-stin, Mayah-sa-choo-setts..."

And why did that post just make me think of "My Cousin Vinny?"

"...A coupla yutes..."
"Excuse me, Mr. Gambini, did you just say, 'a coupla yutes'?"
"Yeah, a coupla yutes."
"What is a 'yute'?"
"I'm sorry. A couple of YOOOOO-TH-ES."

I'm still chapped that my thread got highjacked

I'll hijack it back. Hold on a minute...

So now I'm ostracized for being all uppity or a Yankee. No offense to anyone from north of the Mason-Dixon, but that's an insult down here. It reminds me of black kids who try to be articulate and get the same treatment from their friends, like, "what er you tryin to be, white or somethin"?

I know. Been there. Happens to me on a regular basis. So I just go ahead and play the part - I gave up trying to ward them off. I intentionally use European expressions (as opposed to Québecois), I quit trying to speak Canadian French, and basically said, "Alright. Whatever you say, man." And once the novelty of it wore off, they left me alone. (Well, not really - they just started going at me for being English, but that doesn't bother me, because, heck, I am English)

Mara's Dad is from Missipp and any reference to "Yankee" meant a person who wasn't Southern.

In the UK, "English" refers to someone from England, and in France, "French" refers to someone from France, but in Quebec, "English" refers to someone whose first language is English, and "French", to a person whose first language is French.

When I first came to Quebec, and people called me "English", I tried to explain the difference between English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh, but it was no use, because to them, "English" meant someone whose first language was English, and didn't exclusively refer to someone whose ancestors were from England. In the same way, we call all Americans "Yanks". To people outside the US, it doesn't refer to a Northerner, it's an informal name for an American. The same as people calling someone from Eastend London a Cockney, but to a Londoner, a true Cockney is someone born within earshot of Bowes' Bells. Such are the troubles of regional dialects - the same word can mean two different things.

[rockin4theking]

And the definition of Yankee in the US is odd as well. I've been told both that I'm a Yankee and that I'm not a Yankee by people from several diffferent aras of the south. I'm a Montanan born and bred, and am "western" in general. Some southern people think that anyone not in the south is a yankee, and others think that only people from the north-eastern US are yankees.

I give up on deciding what I am. The best thing I heard on the subject was from some Virginians I worked with this summer who referred to this part of the country as "southern Canada."