Caedmon's Call and odd Christology

ICTHUS · 07-22-2005, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Caedmon's, in "Only One (Holy One)

Left His seamless robe behind,
Woke up in a stable crying,
Lived, and died, and rose again,
Saviour for a guilty land.

I chased the wind,
And I chased in vain,
I chased the earth it would not sustain,

There's only One, who never fails
To beckon the morning light
There's only One, who sets loose the gales
And ties the trees down tight,
When all around my soul gives way
He then is all my hope and stay
There's only One,
Only One
Holy One

Can Christ really be said to have 'woken up' in a stable crying? Is 'woken up' a Biblical metaphor for being born? It just seems like the first like of this song expresses some very odd Christology - almost like Christ was asleep in the womb during Mary's entire pregnancy. This smells of one of the early Christological heresies, though I can't put my finger on it right now...

Anyone have any thoughts?

Dice · 07-22-2005, 02:12 PM

HERESY! BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!

ICTHUS · 07-22-2005, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dice

HERESY! BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!

Huh? I never said we should shun Caedmon's - in fact, this is one of my favorite songs. That line, however, just struck me as a little odd.

**+Donny** · 07-22-2005, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ICTHUS

Can Christ really be said to have 'woken up' in a stable crying? Is 'woken up' a Biblical metaphor for being born? It just seems like the first like of this song expresses some very odd Christology - almost like Christ was asleep in the womb during Mary's entire pregnancy. This smells of one of the early Christological heresies, though I can't put my finger on it right now...

Anyone have any thoughts?

I don't think they are saying Christ was asleep in Mary's womb, just that Christ, as God, was alive before then, so the incarnation was changing His state of being, in a way. I dunno, it's probably just poetic elements.

Coyoteyip · 07-22-2005, 04:47 PM

I would like to ask when Caedmon's Call had cornered the market on Christology? Last I remembered they didn't have Doctorates of Theology.

I personally don't remember anything in the womb and neither is there any sci-fi suggestion that Mary and Jesus carried on conversations telekinetically in the Womb.

The closest thing we have to any type of insight to what "any babies" were doing in the womb is in the Gospel story of Luke.(Luke 1:39-45) John the Baptist leaping in Elizabeth's womb.- Probably had the Hiccups. If Christ is fully human and fully God, his process of maturation could have been quick, but superman quick, not likely. To have the knowledge and insight of the 33 year old Messiah that Died on Calvary and Arose on Easter, in the cradle, is odd and insupportable. He too had to be educated and even Potty Trained! Don't get so wound up in pop lyrics.
This is Coyote Yip Signing Out. Ohhhwwww!

Dark Tofu · 07-22-2005, 11:51 PM

MrCrabby · 07-23-2005, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Tofu

Well in my opinion
Jesus in the beginning the Word of God so he wasn't actually living, as so when he was born, he was the Word of God born, thus he wasn't actually woken up, he was given a life beyond being with God.

But as Caoyoteyip said it really doesn't matter all that much.

How do you define "living"?
If by that you mean a physical body, I believe there is much evidence in the OT to say that Christ has always had some sort of physical manifestation. This is where we get the word "theophany" from.

Dark Tofu · 07-23-2005, 01:44 AM

BereanatHeart · 07-23-2005, 03:12 AM

It seems like you might be looking too much into this, perhaps it's just stating how God left His throne above, to come to this earth, in which, perhaps not immedeatly, but at one point, woke up in the stable crying, something every other human baby has done (well, not in a stable, :P).

Nate · 07-23-2005, 08:35 AM

It's just a figure of speech, dude.

I'm not sure how it matters whether Christ slept in the womb or not, though.

PowerofHymn · 07-23-2005, 10:22 AM

Hrm, I think Caedmon's didn't dig this deep into one line of their song. I write songs all the time and what I think something says, and they way someone else interprets is are two totally different things. I think they just went for a catchy phrase of words. "Woke up in a stable crying" could refer to many things. Why not email Caedmon's and ask them. I've actually had great luck with emailing bands. Hawk Nelson, Names Without Numbers, and a few others seems to reply quite quickly and love holding conversations.

brandontmilan · 07-23-2005, 10:54 AM

I think you are reading for too much into a poetic device. I seriously doubt that Randall Goodgame was trying to make an in-depth doctrinal statement about the state of Christ in the womb. It seems more to be a device to describe his change in state from his glorified heavenly state to his humble earthly state. Like +Donny said.

-brandon t milan

p.s. As far as I can tell, Randall is an excellent songwriter... one of only three or four in the Christian music industry...

Nate · 07-23-2005, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by brandontmilan

one of only three or four in the Christian music industry...

All of which write for Caedmon's Call.

brandontmilan · 07-23-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nate

All of which write for Caedmon's Call.

Thats a good point.

ICTHUS · 07-23-2005, 10:26 PM

Thanks guys. I'm probably making a mountain out of a molehill.

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Originally Posted by Dark Tofu

Well in my opinion
Jesus in the beginning the Word of God so he wasn't actually living,

John 1:3-5

3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.