[Eriol]

I just listened to some Dalek stuff. I can see some people would like that, but its still hard to really call good music. In Swollen Tongue Burns he does some interesting things, but just because he did something different doesn't mean its good. For instance, when people throw paint on a canvas and call it abstract art, someone might say they're creative, but that still doesn't mean that "art" is anywhere near as good as something from Rembrandt, Ruebens, DaVinci, or any average painter of the day. Even if the abstract art is more "creative" then something done by a run-of-the-mill artist 300 years ago, the painting from 300 years ago is probably still a better painting. Even though the painting itself was not spectacular in comparison to the master painters of the day, its still better then the new, less-improved, yet more "creative" art of today. This won't be true in every instance, but maybe you can see the point I'm trying to make.

[thelitguy]

The new thing I miss in music:

The secular thread before it had this discussion about rap music.

[Scott]

maybe you can see the point I'm trying to make.

Not really, I'm afraid. The same arguments were used against Picasso, and he's pretty much the household name for genius painter.

[HobbobTok98]

Originally Posted by thelitguy

You stating that there is no talent in rap is not a personal opinion. Talent is objective, in many ways, and a rapper can certainly be just as talented as that masterbatury garbage that is Dream Theater. The intricacy of using a drum machine is quite complicated, more so than a person might think. Synthesizers (The main basic of both modern rap and pop music) require much more knowledge of the instrument than guitars ever thought about.

You seem calling you lack to realize objective talent as your personal opinion. That's just not so.

Ahem...... Rappers are pathetic. Rapping is soooooo lame. And Dream Theater happens to be my fav. band at the mo.....

[Reuben]

Haha...6 years old.

[Rainer.]

Don't resurrect old threads, please.