"Jesus is my Homeboy"

Cadence · 06-13-2005, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Grasshopper359

Yes, because Jesus went about making blanket statements of people whom He'd never met, based on preconceived notions, and in so doing, alienated 30% of a country's population. You know, not everybody who lives in the inner city spray-paints walls, or is by any stretch of the imagination a "street kid" as you so eloquently phrased it. Instead of a shirt that debatably "degrades" Christ, we'll sling about terms that overtly degrade people. Good show.

I never said all "homeboy's" were street kids. Just that some street kids are homeboys.

Quit assuming.

jump4joy07 · 06-13-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cadence

on what grounds is one offensive and the other isn't?

well, seeing as how a boy toy is someone that is presumably morally corrupt....and a homeboy is your friend..... also, i think that a lot of the people that buy these shirts aren't really thinking "i think this will degrade Christ, so i'm going to get it." I'm not saying i know what they're thinking, but maybe it might just be a trend that people are following.

Grasshopper359 · 06-13-2005, 08:40 PM

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I never said you did!

So who said that the shirt would get people saved? If nobody said anything about it, why bother bringing it up? It's rather a moot point.

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Well im guessing people in America buy them, and i know for a fact people in Australia buy them... i very much doubt they would be sold ineternationally if they were seeling substanitial units, i think millions is a conservative estimate.

You still have yet to make the link between those who buy them and their motives. How many of them did you personally interview? This is the only way that you could determine their motives. You said that millions of people wore them as a mockery of Christ. So how did you come to the conclusion that millions of people wore them for that reason, and not just because they were trendy, or because they actually believed in Him?

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Secondly it is degrading. Perhaps you don't think so and thats sad. Saying Jesus is my Homeboy is degrading. I find the pictures in themself degrading.

This is your conviction, to which you are entitled, and which I respect. To state it as fact, though (as you did in the first sentence of the previously quoted paragraph), requires proof, which you have yet to offer me.

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Explain to me how many people with no concept of Christ as our Saviour could wear the t-shirt in a non-degrading way!

It's irrelavent. Explain how Fiddy Cent can wear a cross around his neck in a non-degrading way. It's irrelavent, because I'm not Fiddy Cent. To say that the shirt itself is degrading because it's worn in such a manner by some is equal to saying that because cars kill people, they're all evil, and the people who drive them are all out to kill someone. Or that everybody who wears Tommy Hillfiger clothing is racist because Tommy himself is outspokenly so. In certain cases, the shirts probably are being worn to mock Christ, but I tend to think that these are a minority. But if I were to wear (which I wouldn't, and I'll explain why in a minute) a Jesus is my Homeboy shirt, then I'm expressing the truth as I see it.

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yeah.. ok.. I just didn't wanna read all 4 pages.. =P

Oh, well in that case...I don't know...But I'll think of something. Until then,

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I never said all "homeboy's" were street kids. Just that some street kids are homeboys.

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That and we must dumb down his character and liken him to some street kid who does graffiti on walls with you.

There's no such factor of exclusivity here. I'm not saying that I believe that you think of all young people who live in the inner city as "street kids", I'm saying that we need to be careful in how we word statements, so that we don't unintentionally insult or alienate people.

All that to come to my personal opinion of the shirts themselves. I don't personally find them offensive, but I would not buy or wear one, simply because I don't want to be a source of offense to a brother or sister in Christ. I changed my avatar, because it was becoming an issue with quite a few people, and I didn't want it to be. It was originally a joke between Elizabeth and I, and at first, I admit, I thought that people were over-reacting. But then realised that whether they were over-reacting or not didn't matter; it was still a source of contention that had to go, and as long as I kept it, I was being a source of offense to people for no particular reason.

I apologise if I offended anybody with my avatar; I didn't realise how some people perceived it, nor what a contentious issue it would be. Had I known that there were people who found it distasteful, I never would have used it in the first place. It's gone, and will never appear beneath my name again.

Cadence · 06-14-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jump4joy07

well, seeing as how a boy toy is someone that is presumably morally corrupt....and a homeboy is your friend..... also, i think that a lot of the people that buy these shirts aren't really thinking "i think this will degrade Christ, so i'm going to get it." I'm not saying i know what they're thinking, but maybe it might just be a trend that people are following.

That doesn't make it ok.

jump4joy07 · 06-14-2005, 08:30 PM

i'm not trying to make a case for the shirts being ok. I said that i have one, i don't personally find it offensive.what makes it wrong? blatantly wrong? I know that people say that it could be offensive and degrading to Christians, but what makes it wrong?

Rob · 06-15-2005, 12:52 PM

Reese Roper (of Brave Saint Saturn) says this:

"Homeboy's come and homeboy's go,
But I still kick the Latin Lingo"

Therefore, if homeboy's can come and go, and Jesus promised to never leave us, the Jesus CANNOT be a homeboy. Case closed. Burn the shirts.

deerboy · 06-15-2005, 02:31 PM

What about us Messianic Jews. Jesus really is my homeboy. If you don't like the word homeboy, that's fine. But that's the way some of us talk. To me that just means Jesus is my friend. I don't know what it means to you, but I don't find it disrespectful.