[JerryLove]

Kerry lost and Clinton is a (no longer in power) moderate.

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by JerryLove

Kerry lost and Clinton is a (no longer in power) moderate.

Not in the whole "culture wars" mindset. In that mindset, Clinton was the liberal antichrist who ate small children.

[cuziamthecaptai]

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

Not in the whole "culture wars" mindset. In that mindset, Clinton was the liberal antichrist who ate small children.

I just don't know if it's liberal vs. conservative. It's more about 'values.'



I heard that while the seculars are winning the battles, they are losing the war.


I think it all depends on how small the world is. As the world gets smaller and smaller, the power of the fundy will deminish. Isn't it enhanced exploration that brought humanism to the world in the first place? It's a lot harder to believe in a christ figure when you're consantly exposed to other religions/cultures and scientific naturalism.

If I were the general on fhe secular side (I'm a 1st private at best), I'd focus everything on making college education a requirement for finding a career (it already is), make serious biology classes a requirement for both college and high school (it almost is) and keep home-schooled kids down. That way they have to learn evolution. Actually, the same should be down with world religions. Make everyone in school learn world religion, evolution, and psychology and the war is over. Though there'd be a few who would remain christians, the vast majority would become agnostic/atheistic or at least ambivalent towards religion. I think we're already seeing this-- we just need to keep pushing it. Just my random ideas.

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by cuziamthecaptai

I just don't know if it's liberal vs. conservative. It's more about 'values.'



I heard that while the seculars are winning the battles, they are losing the war.


I think it all depends on how small the world is. As the world gets smaller and smaller, the power of the fundy will deminish. Isn't it enhanced exploration that brought humanism to the world in the first place? It's a lot harder to believe in a christ figure when you're consantly exposed to other religions/cultures and scientific naturalism.

If I were the general on fhe secular side (I'm a 1st private at best), I'd focus everything on making college education a requirement for finding a career (it already is), make serious biology classes a requirement for both college and high school (it almost is) and keep home-schooled kids down. That way they have to learn evolution. Actually, the same should be down with world religions. Make everyone in school learn world religion, evolution, and psychology and the war is over. Though there'd be a few who would remain christians, the vast majority would become agnostic/atheistic or at least ambivalent towards religion. I think we're already seeing this-- we just need to keep pushing it. Just my random ideas.

So discrimination based on ideology is your utopia? You are one scary individual.

["BrooksB"]

Yeah, wouldn't it be great if everyone had the same values? Even if forced, I think we're on the right track here. When the seculars dominate the world...


I would hope that people wouldn't elect someone who promulgates that type of stuff.

[cuziamthecaptai]

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

So discrimination based on ideology is your utopia? You are one scary individual.

What? It's already a forgone conclusion that to get anywhere in this world, you'll need a college education. Making serious biology and comparative religion courses a requirement should be universally agreed upon. Would you not want your children to learn biology and comparative religion? Ah, but comparative religion and biology necessiarly deminish the fundy agenda. Checkmate.

Homeschooled kids shouldn't be allowed in college unless they pass some sort of basic biology test or something to that affect.

The wonderfull thing is, my special little agenda is already underway. Why do you think there are so many ambivalent christians now a days? It's all in the biology and comparative religion and psychology. moo-hoo-haa-haa-haa --- wait-- where's that devil smily?

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by cuziamthecaptai

What? It's already a forgone conclusion that to get anywhere in this world, you'll need a college education. Making serious biology and comparative religion courses a requirement should be universally agreed upon. Would you not want your children to learn biology and comparative religion? Ah, but comparative religion and biology necessiarly deminish the fundy agenda. Checkmate.

Homeschooled kids shouldn't be allowed in college unless they pass some sort of basic biology test or something to that affect.

The wonderfull thing is, my special little agenda is already underway. Why do you think there are so many ambivalent christians now a days? It's all in the biology and comparative religion and psychology. moo-hoo-haa-haa-haa --- wait-- where's that devil smily?

I was homeschooled and my scores were on the 98th percentile on the SAT's. On my college placement test I scored a 100%, meaning I had my choice of where I wanted to start. Now, Cuzi, if you think that means I had an inferior education, then be my guest. Ill go against it. In the real world, home schoolers do typically understand evolution as well as the public schooled.

[cuziamthecaptai]

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

I was homeschooled and my scores were on the 98th percentile on the SAT's. On my college placement test I scored a 100%, meaning I had my choice of where I wanted to start. Now, Cuzi, if you think that means I had an inferior education, then be my guest. Ill go against it. In the real world, home schoolers do typically understand evolution as well as the public schooled.

By and large the fundies won't be teaching their little kids about evolution and comparative religion. No matter, economics will prevent most parents from taking their kids out of school.

Perhaps what we (the seculars) shoudl do is place even more biology and comparative religion courses in high school. We should add biology to the SAT requirements. heh heh -- now you have to understand evolution to get into school.

It's ironic that while the fundies control the government, they've been losing so many battles. On our part, we're too disorganized to take advantage of our abilities in hollywood, the ives, and the sciences.

[JerryLove]

I think it all depends on how small the world is. As the world gets smaller and smaller, the power of the fundy will deminish. Isn't it enhanced exploration that brought humanism to the world in the first place? It's a lot harder to believe in a christ figure when you're consantly exposed to other religions/cultures and scientific naturalism.

Wouldn't it be nice? Of course, the US just got a president with more faith than sense, Islam is growing at a phenominal rate, and funamentalist Islam is growing within it. Fundamentalist Christianity is relatively modern (appeared in a smaller world), the Germans are about to put in a government with "Christian" in the party name. I wish you were right, but I doubt you are.

I really don't like it when religion an politics mix... I like religious people more than religious groups.

[+Donny]

By and large the fundies won't be teaching their little kids about evolution and comparative religion. No matter, economics will prevent most parents from taking their kids out of school.

Perhaps what we (the seculars) shoudl do is place even more biology and comparative religion courses in high school. We should add biology to the SAT requirements. heh heh -- now you have to understand evolution to get into school.

It's ironic that while the fundies control the government, they've been losing so many battles. On our part, we're too disorganized to take advantage of our abilities in hollywood, the ives, and the sciences.

Got any evidence to back up your claim that fundies don't teach their kids about evolution? I have actually never met a single homeschooler that was not educated about the theory of evolution that wasn't too young to have learned it.

Your tone is also condescending; cut it out.

[JerryLove]

Got any evidence to back up your claim that fundies don't teach their kids about evolution? I have actually never met a single homeschooler that was not educated about the theory of evolution that wasn't too young to have learned it.

I suppose the question is more "what they teach them about evolution". The abstinance-only BC programs do teach about condoms... only they teach untrue information designed to convince people that condoms are useless.

While I'm sure there are people who attempt at impartiality, I would suspect that most teach to their bias, and are dismissive of the other side.

Speaking from my own bias, I see an impartial look as clearly establishing evolution.. and so percieve a true creationist (YEC) as either too ignorant of the subject to teach it, or to biased to even pretend a rational instruction.

[+Donny]

While I'm sure there are people who attempt at impartiality, I would suspect that most teach to their bias, and are dismissive of the other side.

Speaking from my own bias, I see an impartial look as clearly establishing evolution.. and so percieve a true creationist (YEC) as either too ignorant of the subject to teach it, or to biased to even pretend a rational instruction.

Naturally, because there is disagreement. Public schools teach in favor of evolution, homeschoolers who believe in creationism will teach in favor of creationism. You can't just say, "I'm right, so they need to stop it." It doesn't work that way.

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by +Donny

Naturally, because there is disagreement. Public schools teach in favor of evolution, homeschoolers who believe in creationism will teach in favor of creationism. You can't just say, "I'm right, so they need to stop it." It doesn't work that way.

I can't really agree with that sentiment. This started with a "fundies oft don't teach evolution in homeschool", which your defense of why (because they don't believe in it) merely supports.

Evolution is proper science, much as calculus is proper math. To teach evolution is false is no different than teaching math as false... and if I were a college, I would not wan't someone convinced that 2^0 = 0 to come into my school.

["BrooksB"]

Originally Posted by JerryLove

I suppose the question is more "what they teach them about evolution". The abstinance-only BC programs do teach about condoms... only they teach untrue information designed to convince people that condoms are useless.

And what's wrong with people teaching this?

While I'm sure there are people who attempt at impartiality, I would suspect that most teach to their bias, and are dismissive of the other side.

And you discuss evolution to your bias, and me to mine, and everyone to their own bias...

Speaking from my own bias, I see an impartial look as clearly establishing evolution.. and so percieve a true creationist (YEC) as either too ignorant of the subject to teach it, or to biased to even pretend a rational instruction.

Speaking from your own bias... you see an impartial nothing! No matter how much you would like for your views to be the only true and impartial ones, teaching evolution and only evolution in science is destructive to culture in general.

Do you not see how standardized education all across the board can be destructive? Education is more like brainwashing these days than preparing people for jobs. Sure, education is supposed to help people perform their jobs better, but what does it really do? In the eyes of cuziamthecaptai, it should be to brainwash everyone into being on the secular side. Great idea. Take religon completely away from culture. That's not tyrannical at all

Pretty soon we'll be taking words out of our vocabulary because they're politically incorrect (faggot, ______, woman...).

[Nate]

While we're at it, why don't we just make it to where you have be a professing atheist to get into a university or pass the SAT?

Oh wait, that doesn't make sense at all.

I fail to see how the fact that I never really studied evolution in highschool (yes, I was homeschooled, and, yes, my mom was biased when she taught me biology... get over it, not everyone agrees with you or with your so-called "proper science") precludes me from studying music or economics... or from studying biology, for that matter, if that's what I had decided to major in.

In His love,
Nate