Vote of non-confidence in Canada

OneHope · 05-18-2005, 05:14 PM

Do you think that Stephen Harper will be able to take down the government during tommorrows budget vote?

Grasshopper359 · 05-18-2005, 08:39 PM

I hope not...

Changing governments at this point (and if the NC vote went through, the liberals would be literally fighting for their lives) would make a real bollocks of life for us in the military. A change in government as radical as Liberal to Harper would mean a change in international agenda, which would mean that we would have to re-organise to accomodate this (and Harper seems to think that no matter what Canadians think, we should be in Iraq), which would be Hell on Earth, because we're already in the middle of a transition period. To change now would mean scrapping the whole new model, and building another one, which would be scrapped in four years (assuming that the Tories actually won an election) when the Tories are tossed because of their right-wing agenda. It would set Canada's international policy back ten more years, and compromise our reputation overseas for balanced autonomy.

Grasshopper359 · 05-19-2005, 05:02 PM

Well, Martin survived by one vote. Whew. That's too close for comfort. But even if it did come to calling an election, I don't think that the Tories would win. They're only able to even challenge votes in the House because they've snuggled up with the Bloc.

julianaTheory30 · 05-27-2005, 08:54 PM

i hope that Harper is never ever our prime minister

OneHope · 05-28-2005, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by julianaTheory30

i hope that Harper is never ever our prime minister

Why?

Grasshopper359 · 05-28-2005, 08:02 PM

His right wing, free-market, anti-social programmes, privitisation of public services, Constitutional reform (if it were up to him, Senators would be elected [which completely defeats the purpose of having them appointed - so that the governing party doesn't always have control of both the House and the Senate] and instead of the Governor General, Canada would have a President [which is pointless, because it makes Canadians go through another election circus, and it changes nothing as far as the passage of laws is concerned] ), monolingual, anti-Ontario, anti-Quebec, anti-Maritimes, anti-immigration and aggressive foreign use of force ideas might have something to do with it...

Besides, he's a poor leader who relies on bully tactics to keep people in line, which, incidently, is exactly what he criticised Chretien for doing. He has a hard enough time keeping loyalty within his own party, nevermind if he were responsible for the whole government. He's relying on the Bloc, which represents everything that he opposes, to try to topple the Liberals, with whom his party has more in common, which tells me that the only thing that he cares about is getting into office. Everything about his style of business smells ruthless to me.

julianaTheory30 · 06-02-2005, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Grasshopper359

His right wing, free-market, anti-social programmes, privitisation of public services, Constitutional reform (if it were up to him, Senators would be elected [which completely defeats the purpose of having them appointed - so that the governing party doesn't always have control of both the House and the Senate] and instead of the Governor General, Canada would have a President [which is pointless, because it makes Canadians go through another election circus, and it changes nothing as far as the passage of laws is concerned] ), monolingual, anti-Ontario, anti-Quebec, anti-Maritimes, anti-immigration and aggressive foreign use of force ideas might have something to do with it...

Besides, he's a poor leader who relies on bully tactics to keep people in line, which, incidently, is exactly what he criticised Chretien for doing. He has a hard enough time keeping loyalty within his own party, nevermind if he were responsible for the whole government. He's relying on the Bloc, which represents everything that he opposes, to try to topple the Liberals, with whom his party has more in common, which tells me that the only thing that he cares about is getting into office. Everything about his style of business smells ruthless to me.

i couldn't have said it better!

Grasshopper359 · 06-03-2005, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by julianaTheory30

i couldn't have said it better!

And that's just what he's told us. He has a habit of not disclosing his agenda to the public, ostensibly, because he thinks that the Liberals will take the parts that they like and win another term, but I tend to think that it has more to do with the fact that if he did disclose his entire policy, Canadians would desert his party like rats on a sinking ship. Part of the reason for the Liberals' re-election is that they're the devil we know, as opposed to the one we don't. So he's in a bit of a pinch. Until he comes out and tells Canada exactly what he wants to do, he won't likely get elected, but on the other hand, if he does this, then he'll have even less liklihood of election. So he's trying to force an election from the Gomery affair, while Canadians are frustrated with the Liberals, and he can avoid disclosing more then he has to.