[Jeremymcon]

Can you lose your salvation? There was a small argument in youth group the other day about whether or not someone can lose their salvation. I'd like to know your opinion.

Sry about the poll, if it's very easy to lose it, click yes. If it's rather difficult to lose it, click "In certain circumstances..." and then respond.

[Cadence]

Originally Posted by Jeremymcon

Can you lose your salvation? There was a small argument in youth group the other day about whether or not someone can lose their salvation. I'd like to know your opinion.

Sry about the poll, if it's very easy to lose it, click yes. If it's rather difficult to lose it, click "In certain circumstances..." and then respond.

Romans 8:38-39


And there are PLENTY of threads on this with a wealth of arguments. Do a search for "once saved always saved", "Perserverance of the saints", "can you lose your salvation" etc...

[nolidad]

Can you lose your salvation? There was a small argument in youth group the other day about whether or not someone can lose their salvation. I'd like to know your opinion.

My two favorite verses that let us know we are secure in Christ are these:

Phl 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ:

Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Lets us know that even when we are stupid the love of God holds us till HIs Spirit can turn us again.

[Neo31rex31]

i don't believe in once saved always saved because if you follow that idea and way of thinking you are basicly saying that once you are baptized into christ and make him the lord of your life, that you can just go out and do whatever you want. If you think about it when you become a christian that is when you are tempted and put through the most trials by satan. You need to continuely strive to be more like christ and deeper your relationship with him, you can't accept him and expect to go on with your life the way it was before thinking that "o i can do whatever i want now since i am saved" you need to continuly strive to do what's right.

[bobthecockroach]

Salvation is permanent.

John 10:27-29 (emphasis mine)
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.

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Last time I checked, I was someone. Thus, I am not able to remove myself from God's hand.

[nolidad]

i don't believe in once saved always saved because if you follow that idea and way of thinking you are basicly saying that once you are baptized into christ and make him the lord of your life, that you can just go out and do whatever you want. If you think about it when you become a christian that is when you are tempted and put through the most trials by satan. You need to continuely strive to be more like christ and deeper your relationship with him, you can't accept him and expect to go on with your life the way it was before thinking that "o i can do whatever i want now since i am saved" you need to continuly strive to do what's right.

Without wanting to sound too insulting --the only reason why you say these things is that you donj't even understand what takes place at salvation and what price Jesus paid at Calvary to pay for ALL your sins not just MOST.

[Neo31rex31]

so are you implying that once you are saved that you can go out, deliberately sin ask for forgiveness and repeat those sins deliberately and that's all good?

[ICTHUS]

Originally Posted by Neo31rex31

i don't believe in once saved always saved because if you follow that idea and way of thinking you are basicly saying that once you are baptized into christ and make him the lord of your life, that you can just go out and do whatever you want. If you think about it when you become a christian that is when you are tempted and put through the most trials by satan. You need to continuely strive to be more like christ and deeper your relationship with him, you can't accept him and expect to go on with your life the way it was before thinking that "o i can do whatever i want now since i am saved" you need to continuly strive to do what's right.

In 1646, the Westminster Divines answered your objection.

Originally Posted by The 1646 Westminster Confession of Faith

Chapter XI
Of Justification

I. Those whom God effectually calls, He also freely justifies;[1] not by infusing righteousness into them, but by pardoning their sins, and by accounting and accepting their persons as righteous; not for any thing wrought in them, or done by them, but for Christ's sake alone; nor by imputing faith itself, the act of believing, or any other evangelical obedience to them, as their righteousness; but by imputing the obedience and satisfaction of Christ unto them,[2] they receiving and resting on Him and His righteousness by faith; which faith they have not of themselves, it is the gift of God.[3]

II. Faith, thus receiving and resting on Christ and His righteousness, is the alone instrument of justification:[4] yet is it not alone in the person justified, but is ever accompanied with all other saving graces, and is no dead faith, but works by love.[5]

III. Christ, by His obedience and death, did fully discharge the debt of all those that are thus justified, and did make a proper, real and full satisfaction to His Father's justice in their behalf.[6] Yet, in as much as He was given by the Father for them;[7] and His obedience and satisfaction accepted in their stead;[8] and both, freely, not for any thing in them; their justification is only of free grace;[9] that both the exact justice, and rich grace of God might be glorified in the justification of sinners.[10]

IV. God did, from all eternity, decree to justify all the elect,[11] and Christ did, in the fullness of time, die for their sins, and rise again for their justification:[12] nevertheless, they are not justified, until the Holy Spirit does, in due time, actually apply Christ unto them.[13]

V. God does continue to forgive the sins of those that are justified;[14] and although they can never fall from the sate of justification,[15] yet they may, by their sins, fall under God's fatherly displeasure, and not have the light of His countenance restored unto them, until they humble themselves, confess their sins, beg pardon, and renew their faith and repentance.[16]

VI. The justification of believers under the Old Testament was, in all these respects, one and the same with the justification of believers under the New Testament.[17]

Primary proofs for points 15 and 16 are:

Point 15: LUKE 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

JOH 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

HEB 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Point 16: PSA 89:31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; 32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. 33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.

PSA 51:7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. 8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice. 9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities. 10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. 11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. 12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

Note, the psalmist does not say "restore to me my salvation" but "restore to me the joy of my salvation"

1CO 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

LUK 1:20 And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.

[bobthecockroach]

Originally Posted by Neo31rex31

so are you implying that once you are saved that you can go out, deliberately sin ask for forgiveness and repeat those sins deliberately and that's all good?

It's not good, but it doesn't make you lose your salvation.

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Romans 6
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. For he who has died has been freed from sin. Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[airsoft101]

Originally Posted by Jeremymcon

Can you lose your salvation? There was a small argument in youth group the other day about whether or not someone can lose their salvation. I'd like to know your opinion.

Sry about the poll, if it's very easy to lose it, click yes. If it's rather difficult to lose it, click "In certain circumstances..." and then respond.

Do you mean lose it like you still beleive in jesus christ but you will go to hell or like you become satanic and will go to hell?

[Neo31rex31]

*edited for plagiarism*

[Nate]

I hold to POTS, OSAS, ESOTB, PS, whateveryouwanttocallit. I used to think it wasn't a necessary doctrine for orthodoxy, but I question that opinion more everyday.

In His love,
Nate

[Nate]

Originally Posted by Jeremymcon

Sry about the poll, if it's very easy to lose it, click yes. If it's rather difficult to lose it, click "In certain circumstances..." and then respond.

I guess I should have clicked "In certain circumstances..." rather than "no," 'cause I certainly think that it's "rather difficult" to snatch yourself out of the hand of an omnipotent God.

[bobthecockroach]

Originally Posted by Neo31rex31

Galatians 5:4 - Fallen from Grace


“Once-saved, always-saved” is a convenient way of viewing God’s redemptive plan – but is it biblical? Hear what the apostle Paul has to say about “falling from grace.”

How can you claim to be supporting a Biblical position without actually QUOTING the Bible?!?!

[Neo31rex31]

Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

How can you claim to be supporting a Biblical position without actually QUOTING the Bible?!?!

My bad i posted COMPLETELY the wrong thing!