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heymelbs 07-02-2011 11:17 PM

What is the most versatile electric guitar
 
Ok, so what's that electric guitar that can do it all???

thesteve 07-02-2011 11:23 PM

It's not the arrow, it's the Indian.

BillSPrestonEsq 07-02-2011 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by heymelbs (Post 3663791)
Ok, so what's that electric guitar that can do it all???

Depends on what you want to do.

Frankly, I don't think many guitars do the strat/LP thing well. Personally, I believe most guitars can do everything. Obviously chicken picken' on a Jazzbox with one neck pickup is probably a poor choice. But most guitars will handle most anything just fine.

lifesglorydead 07-03-2011 01:55 AM

I'm of the persuasion that believes that a Fender Telecaster can be an answer to anyone's problems...however many won't agree with me. I'll stick with what Steve has said... it's pretty much all in your hands.

BillSPrestonEsq 07-03-2011 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by lifesglorydead (Post 3663799)
I'm of the persuasion that believes that a Fender Telecaster can be an answer to anyone's problems...however many won't agree with me. I'll stick with what Steve has said... it's pretty much all in your hands.

That or an LP will for me. But... I feel in different moods and feel like playing different guitars. So I do.

Shift 07-03-2011 04:42 AM

As for tone options, S/S/H strat styles offer a ton...

BillSPrestonEsq 07-03-2011 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Shift (Post 3663805)
As for tone options, S/S/H strat styles offer a ton...

I'd say a HH LP or tele offer just as many really, not in raw numbers of switch positions, but IMO, the tele bridge pickup and a tone knob will give you almost anything that you don't need a humbucker for, (IOW, High gain) IMO, an LP with a brightish bridge pickup covers as much ground almost. Then again, strats and SGs sound thinner to me than Teles and LPs. I find I can always thin something out sonically.

Rainer. 07-03-2011 10:29 AM

Well, if you have issues deciding on the answer, the obvious solution is that the only way to have the most versatile guitar setup is to just have all of the guitars. ALL OF THEM. :D





Seriously, though, guitar selection is a timbral choice, not a stylistic choice. All of my guitars can do it all.

jamforchrist123 07-03-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainer. (Post 3663829)
ALL OF THEM. :D

GET ALL OF THE GUITARS.


I agree it's all about what you make it, but if I had to give an actual answer, I'd say it's a toss up between a Tele and a Les Paul.

I have both as my main two guitars and I honestly feel I can play pretty much any style with either of them. I can play metal-hardcore stuff with my tele and light/barely dirty worship on the Les Paul. They obviously sound different, but I'm comfortable enough with the tones I get from either of them for most any style.

heymelbs 07-03-2011 12:03 PM

I asked the original question, but what are the different types: Strat, Tele, LP, what others?

Kentl 07-03-2011 12:09 PM

Way to many to name, the best bet is to try a specific guitar as each is deferent, my Strat is not like Bill's while neither of ours is 100% like Dave, each guitar is deferent

ibanez_dude 07-03-2011 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Shift
As for tone options, S/S/H strat styles offer a ton...

I'm gonna agree with this. Having the middle positions AND middle pickup makes for an amazing set of tonal combinations. And the humbucker addresses one of the only dislikes I have with strats, which is that the single coil in the bridge sounds great, but I can never seem to get a warm and crunchy drive sound out of it

gopats1479 07-03-2011 01:49 PM

When you say most versatile, that can mean many different things for people. IMO, most versatile means the guitar with the most great different sounds. For that, you've gotta get a 3-pickup custom shop Vox Series 55.
If not that, then a humbucking Tele.

roscoestring 07-03-2011 02:24 PM

I think that this one would be pretty versatile but maybe not too practical. Also, I don't know if you'd call it a guitar.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...neckguitar.jpg

Ax 07-03-2011 06:06 PM

Mass produced? Probably a Jaguar or a Mustang. Not? My Nightshade. ;)

cakirby 07-03-2011 08:14 PM

Good Telecasters and Statocasters can do just about everything, with Strats going a little bit closer to the soft side and Teles going a little bit closer to the hard side.

BillSPrestonEsq 07-03-2011 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cakirby (Post 3663891)
Good Telecasters and Statocasters can do just about everything, with Strats going a little bit closer to the soft side and Teles going a little bit closer to the hard side.

I'd say both of those tend to lack humbucking and for me, a strat is just not a good choice for much of anything sonically.

Then again, I can get most sounds I want out of a gibson melody maker with 1 p90.

I can say a couple guitars are unsuitable for certain genres. (a jazz box for chicken-picken country is about all that comes to mind as you need the spank of the attack that a good jazz box is designed not to have.)

Other than that...

I would say strats are unsuitable for a lot of things IMO, but thats just because me and strats don't get along.

Rainer. 07-03-2011 10:52 PM

Not to mention that there isn't even a huge variety in the acoustic guitar world compared to the ubiquity of the steel-string guitar tone.

Electric guitarists just think there are massive tone changes with different gear when really, the average person doesn't notice the difference at all. In other words, you might be extolling the tone of a Tele over a Les Paul, but overall, it all sounds pretty similar in the grand scheme of things. An electric guitar certainly, for example, does not sound like a piano, which is a difference that the average ear is much more likely to pick up on.

Stratopastor 07-04-2011 01:29 AM

No guitar does it all, but IMO the right Strat or Tele will cover more bases than other types. A friend of mine had a PRS with some kind of coil-tap switch. I was amazed at how well it did the Fender thing and the Gibson thing.

It's possible for us guitarists to get too worked up over these things and Rainer is at least halfway right IMO when he says the average person doesn't notice (presumably in the audience/congregation). For me it's more about believing (rightly or wrongly) that I play better when I like the sound I'm making, and because I live in the rich part of the world I can get at least 80% of the way there without much difficulty.

lespaul59 07-04-2011 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by heymelbs (Post 3663845)
I asked the original question, but what are the different types: Strat, Tele, LP, what others?

As far as body shape goes you have: SGs, Explorers, Flying Vs, Hollow Bodies, Semi Hollow bodies. And you have the more exotic body styles like the B.C. Rich Warlock and Mockingbird and a few other brands have what I call exotic guitars like Schecter and Peavey. There are way to many different body shapes to sit and list them all.

Most guitars seem to be a variation of a Strat or a Les Paul for the most part. And what I mean by that is most guitar companies seem to either have a Strat style, Strat copy or LP copy. Or in some cases you have companies that have all three. Then you have PRS that try to offer both Strat and LP tones in a guitar. I've seem many times where people talk about being able to get Strat and LP or Gibson tone from a PRS.

Personaly if I was looking for a guitar that could cover as many types of tone as possible I would go with a Les Paul with coil taps on both pickups. Also being a fan of Semi Hollow body guitar I would also look at getting something like the Gibson: ES-335( or Epiphone: Dot) with coil taps. I've also personaly had more luck with versatility from Tele's than Strats. But to be fair to Strats I've only ever played one Strat that I really liked. So I don't guess it's the guitars it's self but rather I just don't get along with them:D.

Reuben 07-04-2011 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by thesteve (Post 3663792)
It's not the arrow, it's the Indian.

I agree with this.

Just 'cause I'm biased, I'll say Telecaster. Though I've seen Les Pauls do country and Telecaster's do heavy rock to metal, which makes me believe that half of the answer to this question just depends on what someone's favorite guitar is.

roscoestring 07-04-2011 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Reuben (Post 3663938)
I agree with this.

Just 'cause I'm biased, I'll say Telecaster. Though I've seen Les Pauls do country and Telecaster's do heavy rock to metal, which makes me believe that half of the answer to this question just depends on what someone's favorite guitar is.


Agreed. I prefer a Tele over a Strat or any Gibson/Epi/or whatever. It may be because they just feel better in my hands :yep: or it could be because I just look sexier :whoa: with a tele than any other. But, I have always been able to do whatever music I wanted to do with any guitar that I'm holding at the time. Think the amp may have a little to do with it too?

to_be_released 07-04-2011 05:59 AM

I get the impression that most of the answers are either of the form "The guitarist matters more than the guitar" or "whatever is my preferred guitar model." The latter reinforces the former, in my mind, but personally I like trying to collect guitars that do sound reasonably different to each other.

Stratopastor 07-04-2011 09:06 AM

+1 on to_be_released .... if I were after another electric guitar (not going to happen, ask my wife) then it would have to be something radically different like a Danelectro*, a Tele with P90s, or a Rickenbacker**.

* also because they look like they were designed by the guys who drew Ren and Stimpy
** I don't know if Martin Smith still plays one, but in Delirious' early days, his always had a distinctive honk that could assert itself within the band without being loud...

funkStrat_97 07-04-2011 05:59 PM

I'm going to agree that an HSS Strat will pretty much cover a bit of everything. I had wired a Lonestar Strat so that I could get the rear coil of the humbucker in parallel with the neck pick up (that was position 3). While even a fat Strat wont sound like a Les Paul, the bridge bucker did at least get you in the neighborhood . Of course the modified 3rd position sounded very Tele-like and since the stock wiring featured the front coil of the humbucker to be split in the 2nd position in parfllel with the middle pick up, it actually sounded a little more acoustic-like than a what you would expect from a regular SSS Strat. Naturally, postions 4 and 5 were classic Strat sounds.

cakirby 07-04-2011 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq (Post 3663897)
I'd say both of those tend to lack humbucking and for me, a strat is just not a good choice for much of anything sonically.

Then again, I can get most sounds I want out of a gibson melody maker with 1 p90.

I can say a couple guitars are unsuitable for certain genres. (a jazz box for chicken-picken country is about all that comes to mind as you need the spank of the attack that a good jazz box is designed not to have.)

Other than that...

I would say strats are unsuitable for a lot of things IMO, but thats just because me and strats don't get along.

I used to agree with you until I was given my current guitar. Strats made in "good" Fender years generally can do probably the most of any guitar I've used, and can do just about everything with enough tweaking.
For example - my guitar can get quite bass-y, if I put a humbucker on my neck pickup I could get a nice bass-y Les Paul humbucker sound.

metropolis4 07-05-2011 06:29 AM

I think the most versatile guitar is whatever you have.


But, having said that, I think the things that gives a Stratocaster an edge is that it is entirely modular. You can have any pickup and control layout you can imagine simply by cutting a new pickguard. You can have a tremolo, fixed bridge, floyd rose or whatever else much more simply than most other guitars. You can swap necks to whatever you like best.

It would be possible to have just one strat, and spare parts and you could have a standard guitar, baritone, 12 string, maple and rosewood necks, fixed bridge, floyd rose, vintage trem, humbuckers, p-90's, single coils, DeArmands, Filtertrons and whatever else you could dream of all in one guitar!

A stratocaster can become anything you want it to be much easier than any other guitar. I think that's the reason you see them used in every style of music imaginable

Teletubby 07-05-2011 06:42 AM

The telecaster is the answer.
Plus if you get yourself a new deluxe it will come with S1 switch to effectivly bind the pickups into a single humbucker option if needed plus it has the noiseless N3 pickups which is nice and whats more its a proper guitar.
IMHO :-)

gitaryzt1985 07-05-2011 09:52 AM

IMO, versatility isn't the best characteristic of a guitar. For example, if you want a guitar to sound like a strat, then tapped humbuckers just won't sound the same.

If you are just looking for a guitar that can play multiple types of music and you aren't so concerned about having a particular "strat" or "LP" type tone, then check out a PRS Custom or Mira. Both having tons of options and the single coil split tones sound pretty good.

I gig a Strat 90% of the time, but when I need to play a gig where we will cover anything from Casting Crowns to Southern Gospel, I will take my PRS Custom 22.

Check out a Tele too. You can get that classic single coil tone, but the bridge pickup can sound pretty beefy when needed for harder music.

martinedwards 07-06-2011 02:36 AM

two weeks ago I'd have agreed with the folks above saying that it's the player not the instrument, all guitarists are snobs and only THIER fav model will do the job, and that most non musos are cloth eared idiots who can't tell the difference anyway.......

but

I just got a variax.

WOW that thing is versatile!!!!

and with the POD XTLive floor board?

good grief!

metropolis4 07-06-2011 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by martinedwards (Post 3664172)
two weeks ago I'd have agreed with the folks above saying that it's the player not the instrument, all guitarists are snobs and only THIER fav model will do the job, and that most non musos are cloth eared idiots who can't tell the difference anyway.......

but

I just got a variax.

WOW that thing is versatile!!!!

and with the POD XTLive floor board?

good grief!

That is very true. I gigged that setup for quite a while and I can't think of anything it can't do

bobthecockroach 07-06-2011 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by gitaryzt1985 (Post 3664089)
PRS Custom or Mira

Mmmmmm... Mira. My dream guitar.

gopats1479 07-06-2011 09:32 AM

What model of the Variax did you get?

gitaryzt1985 07-06-2011 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bobthecockroach (Post 3664178)
Mmmmmm... Mira. My dream guitar.


They are great man. I like to consider the Custom to be the Strat/LP, but I would consider the Mira to be an Tele/SG

BillSPrestonEsq 07-06-2011 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by martinedwards (Post 3664172)
two weeks ago I'd have agreed with the folks above saying that it's the player not the instrument, all guitarists are snobs and only THIER fav model will do the job, and that most non musos are cloth eared idiots who can't tell the difference anyway.......

but

I just got a variax.

WOW that thing is versatile!!!!

and with the POD XTLive floor board?

good grief!

Uhh forgot about that one. If you want versatility, there it is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gitaryzt1985 (Post 3664089)
IMO, versatility isn't the best characteristic of a guitar. For example, if you want a guitar to sound like a strat, then tapped humbuckers just won't sound the same.

If you are just looking for a guitar that can play multiple types of music and you aren't so concerned about having a particular "strat" or "LP" type tone, then check out a PRS Custom or Mira. Both having tons of options and the single coil split tones sound pretty good.

I gig a Strat 90% of the time, but when I need to play a gig where we will cover anything from Casting Crowns to Southern Gospel, I will take my PRS Custom 22.

Check out a Tele too. You can get that classic single coil tone, but the bridge pickup can sound pretty beefy when needed for harder music.

I agree wholeheartedly and I don't go for guitars that try to do everything.

Teles to me sound just so much more authoritative than strats, and a tele and an LP will grt 90% of the sounds most people are looking for. But for example, my peavey generations, (Best tele I ever owned and I have owned about every tele known to man) and my LP custom are my 2 main guitars, but both are very different sonically in every respect. The wood, scale length, electronics, bolt versus set neck... all of those effect the tone just a little.

Like rainer said, all electric guitars sound sort of alike. (Personally, I'd exclude some of the more high end full hollow jazz boxes I have heard from that assessment, but thats my only exclusion. I have heard a couple that sounded almost more harp or piano-like in the hands of a good player.) The tele and LP represent in my opinion opposite ends of the sonic spectrum, but both have a very full sound. I find that with a little tweaking, I can make my LP indistinguishable from an SG by cutting lows and low mids. I think the strat might be trickier as the trem provides a certain springiness to the attack, so the tele with tone rolled down a bit would still be an approximation.

But I don't find I want a jack of all trades guitar, because they are usually master of none. I'd rather have a master of one, reasonably good at others.

DaGeek 07-06-2011 06:10 PM

The most versatile?

Easily the Utah. Hands down.

Reuben 07-06-2011 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaGeek
The most versatile?

Easily the Utah. Hands down.

Oh Chesh, where have you gone?

thesteve 07-06-2011 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaGeek (Post 3664273)
The most versatile?

Easily the Utah. Hands down.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reuben (Post 3664277)
Oh Chesh, where have you gone?

:rofl:

Whenever any talk of him comes up, I wonder if that guitar actually did anything near what it was claimed to be able to do.

BillSPrestonEsq 07-06-2011 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by thesteve (Post 3664278)
:rofl:

Whenever any talk of him comes up, I wonder if that guitar actually did anything near what it was claimed to be able to do.

Part of me wants to build a guitar like that. Then the other part of me realizes I would never use more than what I use on a normal guitar.

Ax 07-06-2011 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by thesteve (Post 3664278)
:rofl:

Whenever any talk of him comes up, I wonder if that guitar actually did anything near what it was claimed to be able to do.

Come on man... that guitar cured cancer... then blasted off into space on it's own after it gained sentience and realized that it's power was too great to fall into wrong hands, and went to battle Galactus and the Flying Spaghetti Monster and their evil pet the ravenous bugblatter beast of traal.

jamforchrist123 07-06-2011 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaGeek (Post 3664273)
The most versatile?

Easily the Utah. Hands down.

:clap:

...

:goodnope:

Stratopastor 07-07-2011 12:24 AM

Anyone know of any photos of the Utah? I've only found a wiring diagram....

also, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this one

Mr.Horsepower

thesteve 07-07-2011 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Stratopastor (Post 3664340)
Anyone know of any photos of the Utah? I've only found a wiring diagram....

also, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this one

Mr.Horsepower

The only photos that ever existed were from 15-20 years ago. Various members of the board asked for updating photographs repeatedly and were told they were coming, but the pictures never came.

jamforchrist123 07-07-2011 12:47 AM

It looked like a combination of this:
http://www.homes4saleinutah.com/utah.jpg

this:
http://www.byoguitar.com/Images/wd-f...-maple-med.jpg

and this:

http://www.fouldsy.com/wp-content/2008/06/companel.jpg

That's about it.

thesteve 07-07-2011 01:34 AM

I can't believe I'm doing this...

This is a picture of one of the versions of the Utah. The site I found this on posted it in March 2011, but I have no idea how old the picture actually is.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...ioncontrol.jpg

martinedwards 07-07-2011 02:11 AM

Oh dear.

1st reaction is...

ok, actually first reaction was reswallowing the little bit of sick in the back of my throat....

SECOND reaction is that the 5 way switch is going to get knocked EVERY strum......

and the variax I got is a sunburst 300. absolutely mint condition for 200

I'm a very happy bunny!

Reuben 07-07-2011 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by thesteve (Post 3664341)
The only photos that ever existed were from 15-20 years ago. Various members of the board asked for updating photographs repeatedly and were told they were coming, but the pictures never came.

Wasn't there also a second guitar of some sort in the works? Or something that was in the pipeline, but updates never really came for that either.

And then *poof*. Gone without a trace. Cheshire Cat is like the Roanoke Colony of CGR.

BillSPrestonEsq 07-07-2011 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Reuben (Post 3664350)
Wasn't there also a second guitar of some sort in the works? Or something that was in the pipeline, but updates never really came for that either.

And then *poof*. Gone without a trace. Cheshire Cat is like the Roanoke Colony of CGR.

only without blue eyed native americans in the area.

gtrdave 07-07-2011 06:33 AM

Utah = *barf*

Versatility is more in the hands and mind of the player than it is in the amount of pickups and switches on the guitar, imho.

boxman2000 07-07-2011 07:22 AM

Strat, hands down no question.

Next I would say either LP or Tele


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