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JesusFreakGirl 04-08-2011 11:56 AM

I'm a bassist, so naturally the drummer is my best friend and he's right behind me on our stage. Our church made the switch to an electric drumset about nine months ago. I hated it at first. All I hear behind me it a tapping. It was annoying. But I've grown past that. I don't have any problems anymore. (note that we use in ear monitors and I can adjust my monitor to hear what I want to hear and how much I want from each person in the band, so I can control what I hear from the drums) When we made the switch it was hard for the drummers to adjust, but now they like it because people in the congregation aren't complaining when the drums are "too loud" because there's more control at the soundboard. Also, we got a high end eletric set, so it doesn't sound electric. It sounds legit. And there's hundreds of settings and even more that we can download. And it looks like a real trap set. I also like that I don't feel like I'm going deaf with the drums behind me. Now that I'm used to the electric set, I don't miss the acoustic one. And our drummers like it too. It was just an adjustment, and once we realized that it was better in the mix, being able to control it just like we can control all the other instruments, we welcomed it with open arms. We have a better balance in the house now.

fenderboss7 04-08-2011 01:29 PM

before.....did you guys use a clear plastic sound wall thingy...(i don't know the technical term)?

JesusFreakGirl 04-08-2011 01:47 PM

Yes, we did.

gtrdave 04-08-2011 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fenderboss7 (Post 3643875)
how do you guys hook up the electric drums to the sound system?

2 1/4" unbalanced cables going to the end of the snake via 1/4-to-xlr transformers.
We're using a Roland TD4SX kit and I installed extra floor tom and high hat mounts on each side to accommodate our 2 drummers, one left handed and one right, without having to take the legs off of the stand every time we switch.

I and one of the drummers have tuned the kit to where it sounds acceptable for what it is, but it's still nothing like a real acoustic kit.

FYI: we use a ClearSonic shield for our acoustic kit (older Pearl Export, Evans heads, Sabian cymbals) upstairs and I run mics on the kick, snare and 2 overheads.

JesusFreakGirl 04-08-2011 02:15 PM

This is our electric drum set: Buy Pearl E-Pro Live Electronic Acoustic Drum Set | Complete Electronic Drum Sets | Musician's Friend

gtrdave 04-08-2011 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JesusFreakGirl (Post 3644170)

I saw that kit being advertised recently.
Does it sound like an acoustic kit? Is it as loud as one?
$3k is not a bad price at all if it does what they say it does.

JesusFreakGirl 04-08-2011 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gtrdave (Post 3644176)
I saw that kit being advertised recently.
Does it sound like an acoustic kit? Is it as loud as one?
$3k is not a bad price at all if it does what they say it does.

It does exactly what it says it does - you just have to learn how to use it. And its pretty simple. You can get the sound and volume you desire from it.

gopats1479 04-09-2011 04:35 PM

My church uses a Roland TD-7 kit that I've kinda reconfigured. We run it mono through a DI.

fenderboss7 04-09-2011 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gtrdave (Post 3644167)
2 1/4" unbalanced cables going to the end of the snake via 1/4-to-xlr transformers.

so are the 2 1/4" cables in the R and L inputs on the drum module?

do they go into the snake with separate xlr adapters for both?

gtrdave 04-11-2011 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by fenderboss7 (Post 3644445)
so are the 2 1/4" cables in the R and L inputs on the drum module?

do they go into the snake with separate xlr adapters for both?

The 1/4" ends come out of the L and R outputs of the drum module and then into the two 1/4-to-XLR transformers. The transformers act as a mini-DI box and properly convert an unbalanced signal to a balanced signal, which is what the mixer ultimately needs to receive.
We use two mixer channels for the drums and assign them to one of the four sub-mix groups so that they can be controlled via 1 fader and independent of all other instruments and the vocals.

fenderboss7 04-11-2011 12:13 PM

yeah i got it now.....we just got our new sound system, and i was able to hook it up......
thanks

metropolis4 05-01-2011 06:57 AM

Acoustic pros:
They respond to your touch, you can pull so many different sounds depending on how you play them
Better control of dynamics
They sound like real drums
9 times out of 10 your drummer will play better and sound better on an acoustic set than electric

Acoustic cons:
Inexperienced drummers may have difficulty controlling their volume
No electric sound options

Electric drums pros:
sound guy can control volume for inexperienced drummers
access to electric drum sounds


Electric drum cons:
they don't feel or respond right, especially the cymballs and toms
they don't sound anything like real drums
9 times out of 10 your drummer won't play as well or sound as good playing them
they don't allow as much expression, or dynamics from the player

I can't stand electric drums. They don't feel right, they don't respond right, they don't sound right, you can't pull the same sounds out of them you get from an acoustic set, you get the occasional odd sounds where you intended to hit one sound, but the vibrations trigger a rim or something else, the bass drum trigger is always spotty at best. They're especially horrendous to play if you come from a jazz background, or any other drumming background where you are used to using lots of ghost notes and fill; the electric drums make this stuff sound weird and too present because they're not responsive enough, so you end up having to change your whole style to play them and it makes if feel wrong and uncomfortable.

For guitar players, imagine that instead of using your guitar you had to use a keyboard to play your guitar parts one day. You would technically be able to hit all the same notes, but it would feel awkward trying to hit keys instead of fret strings, and you would lose the ability to use all the subtle technique you know with the guitar, and you would lose the control you had over the notes. It would feel foreign and you would have to change your whole style to accomodate which would make you uncomfortable and would make you play worse. That's what electric drums do to drummers.

fenderboss7 05-01-2011 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metropolis4 (Post 3649373)
Acoustic pros:
They respond to your touch, you can pull so many different sounds depending on how you play them
Better control of dynamics
They sound like real drums
9 times out of 10 your drummer will play better and sound better on an acoustic set than electric

Acoustic cons:
Inexperienced drummers may have difficulty controlling their volume
No electric sound options

Electric drums pros:
sound guy can control volume for inexperienced drummers
access to electric drum sounds


Electric drum cons:
they don't feel or respond right, especially the cymballs and toms
they don't sound anything like real drums
9 times out of 10 your drummer won't play as well or sound as good playing them
they don't allow as much expression, or dynamics from the player

I can't stand electric drums. They don't feel right, they don't respond right, they don't sound right, you can't pull the same sounds out of them you get from an acoustic set, you get the occasional odd sounds where you intended to hit one sound, but the vibrations trigger a rim or something else, the bass drum trigger is always spotty at best. They're especially horrendous to play if you come from a jazz background, or any other drumming background where you are used to using lots of ghost notes and fill; the electric drums make this stuff sound weird and too present because they're not responsive enough, so you end up having to change your whole style to play them and it makes if feel wrong and uncomfortable.

For guitar players, imagine that instead of using your guitar you had to use a keyboard to play your guitar parts one day. You would technically be able to hit all the same notes, but it would feel awkward trying to hit keys instead of fret strings, and you would lose the ability to use all the subtle technique you know with the guitar, and you would lose the control you had over the notes. It would feel foreign and you would have to change your whole style to accomodate which would make you uncomfortable and would make you play worse. That's what electric drums do to drummers.

would u rather have an entry level drum kit, rather than an expensive electric?

metropolis4 05-02-2011 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by fenderboss7 (Post 3649442)
would u rather have an entry level drum kit, rather than an expensive electric?

Any day of the week :)

Give me a cheap set with a good set of heads and I'll be good to go. I'd take a Percussion Plus set over the most expensive set of electric drums out there.

fenderboss7 05-02-2011 10:25 AM

i would love to get acoustic drums


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