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LC7rock 01-16-2010 11:46 AM

CGR Guitar Instrumental Track
 
I'm just throwing an idea out here. Why don't we make an instrumental track that would have all of us playing on it. We could break it up into small sections and allow for someone to do something over the track.

What do you guys think about it?



Okay here is the track
http://www.christianguitar.org/forum...ck-start-b.mp3

It's in F#, kind of a rock feel. You have 8 bars counting in (I felt generous) When the bass hits that's when your solo should start. You will then have 16 bars to do whatever. Remember only post your guitar track, and DO NOT CHANGE THE TIMING. This system will help me organize things.

Finished product
http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/c...etails/3301891

Rainer. 01-16-2010 11:55 AM

If you want to head it up, sure.

This sort of thing has been tried before, and really needs someone who really wants to work on it to get all the pieces moving.

Reno Rattler 01-16-2010 11:59 AM

I agree with Jon. I'd be willing to throw down a little track, but the whole process is involved, and someone needs to be gung-ho about it.

LC7rock 01-16-2010 04:30 PM

Okay, I can lead it... I'll make a rhythm track for it, but first I need to know how many people want to do it and what kind of feel for it.

gtrdave 01-16-2010 05:30 PM

I have several "free" backing track to share if anyone is interested.

ibanez_dude 01-16-2010 05:32 PM

I would be interested in playing on top of it, but I don't have the time to make the track itself.

LC7rock 01-16-2010 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ibanez_dude (Post 3511812)
I would be interested in playing on top of it, but I don't have the time to make the track itself.

I already have a backing track made, I just need to find a good quality way to convert it to MP3.

What I'll do is make a sample track that will give you 2-4 bars of time to get ready and then each person will do a small section overtop of it... I will put all of them together but ONLY post your guitar part here or email it to me (I will provide my email in a while), not your guitar part with the backing track behind it. NOTE: DO NOT CHANGE THE TIMING ON IT, LEAVE IT JUST AS IT WAS

How does 178 bpm sound to you guys?

Chups01098 01-16-2010 08:32 PM

ill do it haha. sounds cool

Rainer. 01-16-2010 08:36 PM

I'm more interested in what it sounds like than its tempo. :lol:

Chups01098 01-16-2010 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainer. (Post 3511966)
I'm more interested in what it sounds like than its tempo. :lol:

haha agreed

and change it to low quality mp3, we dont need nice quality to play over, you keep the nice non mp3 version yourself and put it all together sounding nice

LC7rock 01-16-2010 09:06 PM

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Okay, here you go! :D It's in F#, kind of a rock feel. You have 8 bars counting in (I felt generous) When the bass hits that's when your solo should start. You will then have 16 bars to do whatever. Remember only post your guitar track, and DO NOT CHANGE THE TIMING. This system will help me organize things.

Chups01098 01-16-2010 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LC7rock (Post 3512004)
Okay, here you go! :D It's in F#, kind of a rock feel. You have 8 bars counting in (I felt generous) When the bass hits that's when your solo should start. You will then have 16 bars to do whatever. Remember only post your guitar track, and DO NOT CHANGE THE TIMING. This system will help me organize things.

the only problem with this is how do we know how to solo? if we dont hear each others parts, one of use does a metal, the other a bluesy, etc. if you just put it together wont it just sound...mashed up different songs?

and f# is d#minor for people who solo in minor... d#minor is a strange key....

Rainer. 01-16-2010 09:17 PM

It'll showcase everyones' unique styles.

And F# is exactly the same as D#m....

Chups01098 01-16-2010 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainer. (Post 3512010)
It'll showcase everyones' unique styles.

And F# is exactly the same as D#m....

i know but thats just a.... strange little key

LC7rock 01-16-2010 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chups01098 (Post 3512006)
the only problem with this is how do we know how to solo? if we dont hear each others parts, one of use does a metal, the other a bluesy, etc. if you just put it together wont it just sound...mashed up different songs?

and f# is d#minor for people who solo in minor... d#minor is a strange key....

You can do both major and minor pentatonics in the same key and still have it flow... Listen to BB King, Joe Satriani, Lincoln Brewster, and Joe Bonamassa... they all do this. Also with the 16 bar sections I can arrange the rhythm guitar to fit whatever you guys throw at me.... Also, if anybody has any rhythm ideas you can use them too. Just specify which your part is.

If you want to see what I'm talking about (major and minor pentatonics) check out my vid. I switched between them a lot!

Chups01098 01-16-2010 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LC7rock (Post 3512015)
You can do both major and minor pentatonics in the same key and still have it flow... Listen to BB King, Joe Satriani, Lincoln Brewster, and Joe Bonamassa... they all do this. Also with the 16 bar sections I can arrange the rhythm guitar to fit whatever you guys throw at me.... Also, if anybody has any rhythm ideas you can use them too. Just specify which your part is.

If you want to see what I'm talking about (major and minor pentatonics) check out my vid. I switched between them a lot!

so your saying like if im in d#minor, use some c minor pent (d# major pent) also ?

i dont even know what to go for in this 20 seconds long of soloing lol. im gonna just mess around maybe try some octave fuzz also, or just... idk. its so little time to solo

Rainer. 01-16-2010 09:32 PM

He means you can use F# blues which is related to F# minor pentatonic in this context.

LC7rock 01-16-2010 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chups01098 (Post 3512023)
so your saying like if im in d#minor, use some c minor pent (d# major pent) also ?

i dont even know what to go for in this 20 seconds long of soloing lol. im gonna just mess around maybe try some octave fuzz also, or just... idk. its so little time to solo

Yeah, but you have to do it just right. It really creates an interesting feeling to the music. For example in my vid, the first little section I used A min Pentatonic, but next section I used an A maj pentatonic (F# min pentatonic) and then went back to the minor.

It doesn't have to be complex, just do something.

Chups01098 01-16-2010 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LC7rock (Post 3512026)
Yeah, but you have to do it just right. It really creates an interesting feeling to the music. For example in my vid, the first little

im confused...

rainer says use f#minor, but you cay c minor.

i thought major pent was like if your supposed to use d minor, use b minor, and its the major pent to d minor or f major

Rainer. 01-16-2010 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chups01098 (Post 3512029)
im confused...

rainer says use f#minor, but you cay c minor.

i thought major pent was like if your supposed to use d minor, use b minor, and its the major pent to d minor or f major

You can use F# mixolydian major, or F# blues.

C minor doesn't work.

And your last sentence there makes no sense.

If you're supposed to be playing in D minor... you play D minor...

LC7rock 01-16-2010 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainer. (Post 3512031)
You can use F# mixolydian major, or F# blues.

C minor doesn't work.

And your last sentence there makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Chups01098 (Post 3512029)
im confused...

rainer says use f#minor, but you cay c minor.

i thought major pent was like if your supposed to use d minor, use b minor, and its the major pent to d minor or f major

I never said c minor pentatonic would work in F#, I said if it was in D# it would be a D# maj.

Sorry if F# is weird for anyone, I just find it's a good soloing key and a very good key for bass. If you have too much trouble with it you can tune down a half step.

Chups01098 01-16-2010 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainer. (Post 3512031)
You can use F# mixolydian major, or F# blues.

C minor doesn't work.

And your last sentence there makes no sense.

If you're supposed to be playing in D minor... you play D minor...

isnt f blues just f minor pent with a added note.

the bolded line just shattered my entire universe. i thought if your in sAY a minor, playing a little blues in a, to use the major pent, you would go to f# minor pent

LC7rock 01-16-2010 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chups01098 (Post 3512035)
isnt f blues just f minor pent with a added note.

the bolded line just shattered my entire universe. i thought if your in sAY a minor, playing a little blues in a, to use the major pent, you would go to f# minor pent

Hold up... do your research on your scales dude... your confusing us with the way your talking....

Listen if you are playing in an F# you can use an F# min Pentatonic and you can go to the F#'s major pentatonic, which is the exact same shape as a D# min pentatonic. Study your scales dude.... a C min has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH AN F#, it does although fit if you were ONLY playing in D#.

Chups01098 01-16-2010 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LC7rock (Post 3512038)
Hold up... do your research on your scales dude... your confusing us with the way your talking....

Listen if you are playing in an F# you can use an F# min Pentatonic and you can go to the F#'s major pentatonic, which is the exact same shape as a D# min pentatonic. Study your scales dude.... a C min has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH AN F#, it does although fit if you were ONLY playing in D#.

Thank you now this whole maj pent thing makes since. Everyone has always gotten it and i've always thought it was like the minor down 3 half steps or something.

I've always been confused on this major pentatonics but i think i understand it!

LC7rock 01-16-2010 10:26 PM

Just reminding everyone that the track is here.

http://www.christianguitar.org/forum...ck-start-b.mp3

Demon_Hunter 01-16-2010 10:28 PM

Why couldnt you have selected a track in Gb, or Eb minor? Sheesh.

Sharp keys are for geeks. :p


If I have the chance tommorow I may take a listen to that backing track and try to record something. I dont promise itll be good, but itll be me.

LC7rock 01-16-2010 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Demon_Hunter (Post 3512057)
Why couldnt you have selected a track in Gb, or Eb minor? Sheesh.

Sharp keys are for geeks. :p


If I have the chance tommorow I may take a listen to that backing track and try to record something. I dont promise itll be good, but itll be me.

Nah, F# is a key for those who know how to play more than the average guitarist... ;) jk And um... if you haven't figured it out, F# is Gb. :p

thesteve 01-16-2010 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LC7rock (Post 3512058)
Nah, F# is a key for those who know how to play more than the average guitarist... ;) jk And um... if you haven't figured it out, F# is Gb. :p

It's also Eb minor...hence the joke.

LC7rock 01-16-2010 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by thesteve (Post 3512065)
It's also Eb minor...hence the joke.

I know... but when somebody says Gb... I think of playing G on a guitar tuned down a half step. When I say F# I mean playing in standard.

Rainer. 01-16-2010 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LC7rock (Post 3512067)
I know... but when somebody says Gb... I think of playing G on a guitar tuned down a half step. When I say F# I mean playing in standard.

Well YOU THOUGHT WRONG!


;)

LC7rock 01-16-2010 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainer. (Post 3512071)
Well YOU THOUGHT WRONG!


;)

:lol: Anyways, back to the track. When ever you guys have your solo done, post it up here and I will get to mixing it. Just have fun with it and experiment a little! :D

gtrdave 01-17-2010 06:51 PM

1. do you want the files back in mono or stereo?
2. where do we post them?

LC7rock 01-17-2010 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gtrdave (Post 3512259)
1. do you want the files back in mono or stereo?
2. where do we post them?

1. It doesn't matter.

2. In this thread.

gtrdave 01-18-2010 07:02 AM

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Here's mine...

Chups01098 01-18-2010 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by gtrdave (Post 3512430)
Here's mine...

did you have two guitars goin on there?

if you were editing it anyway to put two guitars, why wouldnt you just cut out the like 12-14 seconds at the begginning?

But even with out hearing the backing track behind it, i really liked that.

gtrdave 01-18-2010 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chups01098 (Post 3512461)
did you have two guitars goin on there?

if you were editing it anyway to put two guitars, why wouldnt you just cut out the like 12-14 seconds at the begginning?

But even with out hearing the backing track behind it, i really liked that.

I doubled the guitar at the beginning (harmony and unison) and the end (unison).

I left the silence at the beginning because I though that's what the OP is going to use to sync it up with the backing track.

Thanks. :)

Chups01098 01-18-2010 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by gtrdave (Post 3512484)
I doubled the guitar at the beginning (harmony and unison) and the end (unison).

I left the silence at the beginning because I though that's what the OP is going to use to sync it up with the backing track.

Thanks. :)

Ah ok sweet.

Hey i kinda dont know much about harmony. What'd you harmonize in? I don't do it or practice it or anything but i have a VERY basic understanding of it, but not much

gtrdave 01-18-2010 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chups01098 (Post 3512490)
Ah ok sweet.

Hey i kinda dont know much about harmony. What'd you harmonize in? I don't do it or practice it or anything but i have a VERY basic understanding of it, but not much

I used F#minor scale as the basis for the harmony.
The harmony interval is a third.

LC7rock 01-18-2010 10:39 AM

Cool track dude! :D Sounds like Clapton!

It fit perfectly, so we need more people to put more stuff in.

LC7rock 01-18-2010 11:32 AM

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Like Dave said, leave the silence at the beginning.

Here's a little snippet of how it sounds right now. I will add in a rhythm track once we get more submissions so that I can change the rhythm to fit people's solos.

Chups01098 01-18-2010 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by LC7rock (Post 3512525)
Like Dave said, leave the silence at the beginning.

Here's a little snippet of how it sounds right now. I will add in a rhythm track once we get more submissions so that I can change the rhythm to fit people's solos.

sounds pretty sweet.

only thing is, i dont know how to record with the space at the beginning... i click record on audacity then click play on windows media player, but theres a little second between clicking record on audacity and play on wmp.

gtrdave 01-18-2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Chups01098 (Post 3512527)
sounds pretty sweet.

only thing is, i dont know how to record with the space at the beginning... i click record on audacity then click play on windows media player, but theres a little second between clicking record on audacity and play on wmp.

Import the track into Audacity and then add your guitar over it.
Export only your guitar track when it's finished, convert it to mp3 and you'll have what you need to upload here.

Sean.thomson 01-18-2010 04:17 PM

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Slide anyone?

Rainer. 01-18-2010 04:35 PM

:lol: That is... awesome. Amazing, really.

Chups01098 01-18-2010 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean.thomson (Post 3512656)
Slide anyone?

That background stuff sounds awesome. Like a starkin siren or something.
I wanna hear it over the backing track. sounded cool by itself though

LC7rock 01-19-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean.thomson (Post 3512656)
Slide anyone?

That's cool sounding, but it's a little harsh tone-wise. Would it be okay if I used some effects on it?

Sean.thomson 01-19-2010 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LC7rock (Post 3512908)
That's cool sounding, but it's a little harsh tone-wise. Would it be okay if I used some effects on it?

Well, I am a harsh kind of guy, but go for it peeps. :p

Sean.thomson 01-19-2010 02:04 PM

Also, how are y'all recording? I just plugged an old teisco into a big muff and then plugged that directly into the mic jack and did a little reverb/ring modulation with Audacity.

Chups01098 01-19-2010 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean.thomson (Post 3512976)
Also, how are y'all recording? I just plugged an old teisco into a big muff and then plugged that directly into the mic jack and did a little reverb/ring modulation with Audacity.

i'm just gonna use my pod into audacity

when do we need to have these done by?

LC7rock 01-19-2010 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean.thomson (Post 3512976)
Also, how are y'all recording? I just plugged an old teisco into a big muff and then plugged that directly into the mic jack and did a little reverb/ring modulation with Audacity.

That explains it. Pedals that are ran direct, unless they're tube powered, can sound a bit harsh. Oh well, you should like what I did with it. (I'll post that up in a while)

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Originally Posted by Sean.thomson (Post 3512976)
Also, how are y'all recording? I just plugged an old teisco into a big muff and then plugged that directly into the mic jack and did a little reverb/ring modulation with Audacity.

I've been micing my amp mostly, except my solo (the first one) was direct through an old effects pedal. (It was one I did of the same track before, I haven't done my solo for this thing yet). Some time soon I'll record mine and I'll probably use the amp for that one.

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Originally Posted by Chups01098 (Post 3512983)
i'm just gonna use my pod into audacity

when do we need to have these done by?

It doesn't matter, just please don't leave me waiting to long.


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