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Rock 'n Christ 11-19-2007 12:43 PM

Rock 'n Christ's Guitar Search
 
Im looking at buying a Schecter C-7 Hellraiser 7-string electric guitar for Christmas, I will be playing through a Line 6 Spider III 75W amp and possibly a distortion pedal (looking at a BOSS ML-2 Metal Core, but am still looking). I will be playing to Demon Hunter primarily, but will switch to bands like Red, Skillet, Living Sacrifice, and other bands like that that play in drop tuning. This guitar will also be used about 15%-20% in standard tuning, but primarily in Drop B, Drop C, etc. Is this guitar for me? Is there a better one out there for what I'll be playing? Keep in mind that Ive yet to play this guitar yet, but will soon most likely by the end of the week (along with several distortion pedals). TIA

CDBongo 11-19-2007 02:54 PM

It's a seven string just so you know, so that definitely different than a six sting for anything you do. If you know how to wield it you can play heavy metal just fine, it's not uncommon for heavy metal bands to have a low seventh string. I'm almost certain that demon hunter plays a drop tuned six string though, and most of the tabs you'll find are tabbed this way. Not to say that you can't transpose them if you know how.

I own a schecter C-1 Classic and love it. I don't play much heavy metal but I'm sure that it could easily do that well. It's a very solid quality guitar, and I'd guess that other schecters are as well. I've tried a six string hellraiser with a floyd rose at a guitar center once and it felt on par with mine in terms of quality.

I'd recommend the hellraiser, if you decide to get a schecter six string, because of the emg pickups well suited for metal.

I have played the guitar you mention, but since I don't play seven string and the guitar wasn't in tune anyway I didn't spend much time playing it, but it felt like it had the same schecter quality as their other gutiars.

BillSPrestonEsq 11-19-2007 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock 'n Christ (Post 3103765)
Im looking at buying a Schecter C-7 Hellraiser 7-string electric guitar for Christmas, I will be playing through a Line 6 Spider III 75W amp and possibly a distortion pedal (looking at a BOSS ML-2 Metal Core, but am still looking). I will be playing to Demon Hunter primarily, but will switch to bands like Red, Skillet, Living Sacrifice, and other bands like that that play in drop tuning. This guitar will also be used about 15%-20% in standard tuning, but primarily in Drop B, Drop C, etc. Is this guitar for me? Is there a better one out there for what I'll be playing? Keep in mind that Ive yet to play this guitar yet, but will soon most likely by the end of the week (along with several distortion pedals). TIA

On a 7th string, Drop B would not exist, Drop A would. The low String in standard tuning is a B already. So to drop it would be to tune it this way
A
E
A
D
G
B
E

Furthermore, I would really look outside of Boss for a pedal. I would look at perhaps a higher quality pedal if such an item was necessary. However, I would consider using your amp and saving for an upgrade there.

My primary distortion pedal is a used H & K Tube factor, which I purchased for just a hair more than the Boss is going for, and its a dual mode, much better bypass, tube based pedal that is incredibly versatile.

The boutique pedals used do not cost much more than that one and you get a whole lot more bang for your buck, though my guess would be your spider could pull off demon hunter well enough.

gtrdave 11-19-2007 03:24 PM

If I may suggest, skip the distortion pedal...the Spider III will give you every bit of distortion you'll ever need for the style of music you wish to play...and use the money to buy at least the FBV Express controller for the Spider so that you'll have some control over your channel selections.

Also, someone explain to me the need to drop tune on a 7 string guitar. I don't get it.

thesteve 11-19-2007 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtrdave (Post 3103931)
Also, someone explain to me the need to drop tune on a 7 string guitar. I don't get it.

because your bass player isn't very good :rolleyes:

Rock 'n Christ 11-19-2007 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq (Post 3103905)
On a 7th string, Drop B would not exist, Drop A would. The low String in standard tuning is a B already. So to drop it would be to tune it this way
A
E
A
D
G
B
E

Furthermore, I would really look outside of Boss for a pedal. I would look at perhaps a higher quality pedal if such an item was necessary. However, I would consider using your amp and saving for an upgrade there.

My primary distortion pedal is a used H & K Tube factor, which I purchased for just a hair more than the Boss is going for, and its a dual mode, much better bypass, tube based pedal that is incredibly versatile.

The boutique pedals used do not cost much more than that one and you get a whole lot more bang for your buck, though my guess would be your spider could pull off demon hunter well enough.



so Drop B with a 7-string guitar would be like Drop D with a 6-string (only dropping the low string one note)? my grandparents will be getting the pedal(s), but they probably wont spend more than $100, what can I get for that (pedal-wise)? also, Digitech is doing a "Buy 2 Get 1 Free" deal on all their pedals, should I just to that?

BillSPrestonEsq 11-20-2007 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock 'n Christ (Post 3104107)
so Drop B with a 7-string guitar would be like Drop D with a 6-string (only dropping the low string one note)? my grandparents will be getting the pedal(s), but they probably wont spend more than $100, what can I get for that (pedal-wise)? also, Digitech is doing a "Buy 2 Get 1 Free" deal on all their pedals, should I just to that?

skip the pedals, I really think they would end up being inferior to what you have, a floorboard as dave suggested will serve you well.

You can't do drop b on a seven string without tuning the rest of the guitar too high.

Drop B would be
B
F#
B
E
A
C#
F#
I think...

Standard tuning is
B
E
A
D
G
B
E

It would end up using a drop tuning as an a, which is a little below what most people would use. Personally, the only use I can think of is really laziness unless you are into doing crazy long scale runs all over the place and needed that low A on a song.

gtrdave 11-20-2007 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock 'n Christ (Post 3104107)
so Drop B with a 7-string guitar would be like Drop D with a 6-string (only dropping the low string one note)? my grandparents will be getting the pedal(s), but they probably wont spend more than $100, what can I get for that (pedal-wise)? also, Digitech is doing a "Buy 2 Get 1 Free" deal on all their pedals, should I just to that?

You're getting a Spider amp which has a variety of built in distortions already so no need to buy pedals to do what the amp will already do.
All you need is the controller to enable you get the variety of sounds already in the amp out at the touch of your foot.

If you were buying a non-modeling amp then it would make sense to buy a couple dist/od pedals but with a Line 6 modeling amp, it's redundant to do so.

Rock 'n Christ 11-20-2007 09:11 AM

I will be going to Guitar Center tomorrow afternoon/evening (most likely) and I'll be trying out the Schecter C-7 Hellraiser and several pedals, maybe a pedalboard as well. So should I save up for a pedalboard instead getting 1-3 individual pedals? I wont be able to get the pedalboard for several months, but I should have my Schecter by Christmas. Will a pedalboard give me the kind of distortion Im looking for and/or more? I know that a pedalboard will contain many varieties of different sounds, but will it go well with Standard tuning play as well as Drop B playing? Also, what pedalboard would you guys recommend me looking at and trying out at GC?

TIA
-RIC

my friend has the BOSS GT-8 and he loves it, and Ive been reading a lot of reviews and havent heard one bad thing about it yet, the only thing Ive seen negatively was that one guy said he had to route several stomp boxes (I think he said BOSS MetalZone) to get the distortion he wanted, but he said that everything else was great, as everyone has said. I could get a stomp box( or several) for Christmas (which wont cost me anything, gift) and then I could buy the GT-8 once I get enough money :yep:. Here it goes for stompboxes: I could either get the BOSS ML-2 MetalCore or I could get my choice of 3 Digitech stompboxes (Buy 2 get 1 free sale their having on all their pedals). If you could choose, which would you get?

P.S. the ML-2 MetalCore is $100, as is 2 Digitech pedals and the 3rd is free, so pricewise they are the same.

irtrogdor 11-20-2007 10:01 AM

dude, are you reading the rest of your thread?

every has already said what i am about to say:

do not buy pedals!

get one of these to go with your amp. it works exactly the same way as any pedal would, except that it controls the distortion settings that are already on your amp.

Rock 'n Christ 11-20-2007 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irtrogdor (Post 3104611)
dude, are you reading the rest of your thread?

every has already said what i am about to say:

do not buy pedals!

get one of these to go with your amp. it works exactly the same way as any pedal would, except that it controls the distortion settings that are already on your amp.


Sorry about that. I have been reading the rest of this thread, its just Im also getting opinions from different people in different threads and opinions from friends here, its a lot of info. to decide what to do with in the short time span I have. I already knew about the FBV pedals, I just hadnt given it much thought. Anyways, since its only $100, I may get it for Christmas. Thanks

Keep 'em coming, the more opinions/takes, the better :D.

thesteve 11-20-2007 10:23 AM

As everyone else has been saying, considering all of the amp models your amp has, it's a waste of money to splurge on effects pedal that will likely cover the same sonic territory your amp already does.

gtrdave 11-20-2007 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irtrogdor (Post 3104611)
dude, are you reading the rest of your thread?

every has already said what i am about to say:

do not buy pedals!

get one of these to go with your amp. it works exactly the same way as any pedal would, except that it controls the distortion settings that are already on your amp.

Exactly.
If you're going to buy a Spider III amp then you WILL NOT NEED TO BUY ANY DISTORTION PEDALS or multi-effects pedals or whatever!!!
The Spider series already has about 6 different overdrive/distortion modes that you can tweak and adjust exactly as you need to and it will deliver a wide variety of crunch, from basic blues to heavier and thicker than Demon Hunter.
All you need is the Line 6 controller (FBV Express or Shortboard or what have you) that will enable you to pick and choose all those sounds at the stomp of your foot.

If you're dead set on buying pedals and multieffects processors and all that then DON'T BUY A MODELING AMP!!!
Buy a regular tube or solid state amp that will be complimented by all those external effects and will not be redundant to what you already have.

Also, in my 20+ years of using and owning Boss stomp boxes, I can honestly say that their distortion pedals, be it a Metal Zone or DS-1 or Blues Driver or OS-2, are some of the most shrill and tone sucking pedals available. They are prime candidates for modification if you have the means or ability.
The Distortion Factory is the only one that I've heard that I would slightly consider but even it sounded buzzy.
If not, I encourage you to look elsewhere. Digitech is a good start BUT, again, if you're getting a Spider amp then none of this matters and you can spend your pedal money on something more worthwhile to you like the FBV Express which will give you access to all 4 channel presets, volume pedal, wah pedal, tap tempo, tuner and mute.
It's a MUST compliment to a Spider 75 watt amp, imho.

Rock 'n Christ 11-20-2007 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtrdave (Post 3104682)
Exactly.
If you're going to buy a Spider III amp then you WILL NOT NEED TO BUY ANY DISTORTION PEDALS or multi-effects pedals or whatever!!!
The Spider series already has about 6 different overdrive/distortion modes that you can tweak and adjust exactly as you need to and it will deliver a wide variety of crunch, from basic blues to heavier and thicker than Demon Hunter.
All you need is the Line 6 controller (FBV Express or Shortboard or what have you) that will enable you to pick and choose all those sounds at the stomp of your foot.

If you're dead set on buying pedals and multieffects processors and all that then DON'T BUY A MODELING AMP!!!Buy a regular tube or solid state amp that will be complimented by all those external effects and will not be redundant to what you already have.

Also, in my 20+ years of using and owning Boss stomp boxes, I can honestly say that their distortion pedals, be it a Metal Zone or DS-1 or Blues Driver or OS-2, are some of the most shrill and tone sucking pedals available. They are prime candidates for modification if you have the means or ability.
The Distortion Factory is the only one that I've heard that I would slightly consider but even it sounded buzzy.
If not, I encourage you to look elsewhere. Digitech is a good start BUT, again, if you're getting a Spider amp then none of this matters and you can spend your pedal money on something more worthwhile to you like the FBV Express which will give you access to all 4 channel presets, volume pedal, wah pedal, tap tempo, tuner and mute.
It's a MUST compliment to a Spider 75 watt amp, imho
.



sorry that I didnt make this clear in the beginning of this thread, but Ive had the Spider III amp for about 3 months now. so, you wouldnt consider getting something like the BOSS GT-8 either?

BillSPrestonEsq 11-20-2007 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock 'n Christ (Post 3104794)
sorry that I didnt make this clear in the beginning of this thread, but Ive had the Spider III amp for about 3 months now. so, you wouldnt consider getting something like the BOSS GT-8 either?

Once again, that would be redundant, the control board for your amp would be far more useful and would probably lend you better results.

gtrdave 11-20-2007 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq (Post 3104887)
Once again, that would be redundant, the control board for your amp would be far more useful and would probably lend you better results.

Yes, the GT8 is best used as a stand-alone device when running direct to a mixer or possibly in front of a very clean, very neutral amplifier.

The Spider III is basically an amp that contains many of the effects and amp/cabinet models that something like the GT8 would already have so if you were to buy a GT8 and a Spider III, you'd be essentially buying the same thing twice in regards to effects, distortions, etc...whereas a FBV Express used with a Spider III would be a great combo as the FBV doesn't make any sounds or effects on it's own but it allows you to control them from within the Spider since they're already there.

CDBongo 11-20-2007 06:22 PM

Tally one more vote for the FBV Express over the GT8. I'd explain but I'd be beating a dead horse.

Rock 'n Christ 11-20-2007 06:29 PM

So the FBV will be a Wah pedal, a Volume pedal (which Ive been told I need), and itll be able to switch channels from the board, along with a chromatic tuner. Is there anything else it will do that Im not aware of? Will it change the sound any way?

thesteve 11-20-2007 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock 'n Christ (Post 3105087)
So the FBV will be a Wah pedal, a Volume pedal (which Ive been told I need), and itll be able to switch channels from the board, along with a chromatic tuner. Is there anything else it will do that Im not aware of? Will it change the sound any way?

the FBV Express is a wah/volume (according to how your settings are) with the chromatic tuner built-in and the ability to switch between four presets and tap tempo. It's definitely a good unit to have in order to get the most out of your amp.

It will not change the sound at all. It only takes the preset buttons on the face of the amp and puts them at your feet for much easier access.

Rock 'n Christ 11-21-2007 09:47 AM

POD products
 
I was looking at the FBV Express, Shortboard, and Footboard when I came across the POD XT and X3 Live. I'm seeing the same Chan. A/B/C/D footswitches that I see on the FBV's along with the volume/wah pedal, so are the POD products basically just better FBV's? If so, I'll definetly look into them.

thesteve 11-21-2007 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock 'n Christ (Post 3105450)
I was looking at the FBV Express, Shortboard, and Footboard when I came across the POD XT and X3 Live. I'm seeing the same Chan. A/B/C/D footswitches that I see on the FBV's along with the volume/wah pedal, so are the POD products basically just better FBV's? If so, I'll definetly look into them.

They're completely different products with a similar interface. the FBVs are just controllers. The POD XTL and X3L are both standalone units that include digital preamps, effects and cabinet simulation as well as their own switches. To compare them to the FBVs is absurd.

gtrdave 11-21-2007 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesteve (Post 3105462)
They're completely different products with a similar interface. the FBVs are just controllers. The POD XTL and X3L are both standalone units that include digital preamps, effects and cabinet simulation as well as their own switches. To compare them to the FBVs is absurd.

Basically, think of the FBV Express and Short/Longboards as controllers for Line 6 amplifiers...they're useless without a Line 6 combo amp...and think of the FloorPOD, FloorPOD Pro, XTLive and XT3 as a combination amp and controller minus the cabinet, power amplifier and speaker...they're used instead of a Line 6 combo amp.

Rock 'n Christ 11-21-2007 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtrdave (Post 3105475)
Basically, think of the FBV Express and Short/Longboards as controllers for Line 6 amplifiers...they're useless without a Line 6 combo amp...and think of the FloorPOD, FloorPOD Pro, XTLive and XT3 as a combination amp and controller minus the cabinet, power amplifier and speaker...they're used instead of a Line 6 combo amp.


So, are you saying that I shouldnt look at the POD products to go with my amp? I know that'll probably have more features than my amp does, but should I look into it?

thesteve 11-21-2007 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock 'n Christ (Post 3105570)
So, are you saying that I shouldnt look at the POD products to go with my amp? I know that'll probably have more features than my amp does, but should I look into it?

i think if you had a different amp they would be worth looking in to, but with the amp you already have, you should be looking to actually use the amp to its fullest extent. If you were to get a POD unit, your amp would likely be reduced to being a neutral tone generator.

CDBongo 11-21-2007 12:24 PM

NO, this is a bit of a stretch, but I'd say that the POD modelers do just about the same thing as the Spider amps do, no sence in buying the same thing twice, total overkill. The FBV controller essentially gives you pod capabilities with your amp. The controller itself does nothing besides change paramaters on your spider amp where as the pod is the thing creating the tone, which is why the controller is cheaper than the pod pedals. Since you already have the amp it would be totally pointless to buy a pod pedal.

gtrdave 11-21-2007 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock 'n Christ (Post 3105570)
So, are you saying that I shouldnt look at the POD products to go with my amp? I know that'll probably have more features than my amp does, but should I look into it?

No. Your Spider III is basically a POD in combo amp form.
Buying one would be like using a POD with a POD...

Rock 'n Christ 11-21-2007 06:43 PM

I'm leaving to GC right now, so I'll post back with what I try out.


Any suggestions?

Rock 'n Christ 11-21-2007 08:47 PM

got back from GC, I wasnt able to find out much.


They didnt have the Hellraiser in stock, so I had too play a Schecter Gryffon 7-string (half the price of the HR) and they didnt have the amp that I got from them (Line 6 Spider III 75W) in stock either. I did make a decision on stomp boxes, Im not getting one. I am getting a headache from all this thinking thats been going on these past few days :sadyep:.


I will probably end up getting a FBV shortboard or footboard, but they are $300-$400, and my grandfather probably wont spend over $100. the FBV Express is $100, but if I got a FBV pedal, itd be one of the bigger ones. Does anyone have an idea of what I could get for $100 (music/guitar-wise)?

thesteve 11-22-2007 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock 'n Christ (Post 3106016)
I will probably end up getting a FBV shortboard or footboard, but they are $300-$400, and my grandfather probably wont spend over $100. the FBV Express is $100, but if I got a FBV pedal, itd be one of the bigger ones. Does anyone have an idea of what I could get for $100 (music/guitar-wise)?

honestly, for the Spiders, I would just go with the FBV Express...of course maybe you'll use more than four presets in a set, but for me, I think four switches would be plenty enough. I don't think I just justify spending more for a controller than I did for an amplifier. If I was going to spend $300+ I'd probably go with an XTL (if I wanted a multi-FX) or something else (maybe save it towards an amp more geared for the sound I want).

Rock 'n Christ 11-22-2007 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesteve (Post 3106263)
honestly, for the Spiders, I would just go with the FBV Express...of course maybe you'll use more than four presets in a set, but for me, I think four switches would be plenty enough. I don't think I just justify spending more for a controller than I did for an amplifier. If I was going to spend $300+ I'd probably go with an XTL (if I wanted a multi-FX) or something else (maybe save it towards an amp more geared for the sound I want).



So youre saying that I should go for the XTL over one of the bigger FBV (besides the Express)?

gtrdave 11-22-2007 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock 'n Christ (Post 3106326)
So youre saying that I should go for the XTL over one of the bigger FBV (besides the Express)?

The 2 aren't interchangeable.

XTL is not an amp controller. It's an amp without a speaker and cabinet. You would NOT use it with your Spider.

FBV of any kind is an amp controller. It's made to be used with any of the Line 6 amps. You WOULD use it with your Spider.

This is about as plain and simple as it can be stated. If you don't understand it then, please, don't buy anything until you do.

thesteve 11-22-2007 09:50 AM

I think the bigger question Dave is whether or not the OP should buy a foot controller that's worth more than his amp.

gtrdave 11-22-2007 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesteve (Post 3106337)
I think the bigger question Dave is whether or not the OP should buy a foot controller that's worth more than his amp.

He's got 5 choices:

FBV-2: these are probably discontinued and rightly so. With only 2 buttons, they were good for little.

FBV-4: these, too, I believe are discontinued and pretty much replaced by the...

FBV-Express: all around good controller for most of the Spider II/III and other Line 6 amps.

FBV-Shortboard: a big step up from the Express with several more presets and the ability to control effects as well as channels.

FBV: the king. Dedicated wah and volume (not either/or as on the other boards) and even more things to step on.

I own the Express. It's exactly what I need for my Spider II 112. I, too, agree that the Shortboard, while nice, is pricey when compared to the Spider amp but it does allow for a bit more versatility than the Express.
If I wanted a lot of control from my Spider then I'd get a Shortboard or FBV.

If I didn't need an amp with a speaker then I'd scrap the Spider and any thoughts of a controller and just get an XTL or X3L instead.

For the OP, if he's got $100 that's burning a hole in his pocket and he doesn't already have a controller for his Spider, purchasing the FBV Express is almost a no-brainer, imho.

thesteve 11-22-2007 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtrdave (Post 3106358)
For the OP, if he's got $100 that's burning a hole in his pocket and he doesn't already have a controller for his Spider, purchasing the FBV Express is almost a no-brainer, imho.

this is the same thing I was thinking. It sounds like the OPs grandparents would be willing to get him the FBV Express. After that you're looking at the $270 Shortboard. The L6 website indicates the FBV ($400 model) isn't compatible with the Spider IIIs (though in another part they do...way to be confusing L6).

I suppose if the OP is planning on using the Spider for a very long time and/or stay with Line6 amplifiers for awhile, I can see the extra money for the Shortboard to be worth it as it will follow you as your upgrade your amp and is compatible with the Spider Valve amps coming out.

I just feel like for the $270 that would be spent on the Shortboard, better options are available. Maybe it's my internal, anti-modeling side kicking in (not that I think it's bad, I'm just too lazy to use it), but I feel like you could probably get $150-$200 for your amp on the used market and then spend $400+ on a new amp that might suit your needs better than what you have now.

Ultimately, it comes down to needs. How much versatility do you need? Will you use more than four presets during a set? If so the Express might not be enough. If you can get away with only having four presets, then the Express is just great.

CDBongo 11-22-2007 12:02 PM

Here's the easiest solution:
Keep your amp. Get the FBV Express.

Rock 'n Christ 11-22-2007 07:07 PM

couple questions about 7-string guitars
 
I have several questions about 7-string guitars: As far as the tuning goes on 7ST's compared to 6ST's (regular ;)) goes, is standard tuning for a 7ST's the equivalent of standard tuning for 6ST's? Can you keep a 7ST in standard tuning and play a song in Drop B that was tabbed for a 6ST, if so, will you have to change the chords? Now about the chord formation 7ST compared to a 6ST. i.e, a bar chord on the 3rd fret on a 6ST guitar. on a 7ST, when making this bar chord, would you bar the 7th string as well? Or would you leave the 7th string open? i.e. a Bsus chord on a 6ST guitar (2nd fret/5th string and 4th fret/3rd-4th string), would you make the chord the same way on a 7ST, or would you shift all of your fingers over one string so that your 1st finger would be on the 6th string instead of the 5th string?

Sorry about the bombardment of questions, its just that a 7-string is in my near future, and I need to know all of this before I buy it :).



TIA
-RIC

Rock 'n Christ 11-22-2007 07:31 PM

Baritone? What is it?
 
Demon Hunter has a Baritone guitar, and I just thought that a Baritone was a type of guitar, but I came across this guitar and I looked at the tuning. Here's the link (go to the bottom right-hand corner, after clicking on "Guitars" at the top, and youll find Schecter's C-1 Baritone):

http://www.schecterguitars.com/index.asp


If you look at the tuning at the bottom right-hand corner after clicking the link to the guitar (not the very bottom but close), youll notice that the tuning is far from standard, why is it tuned this way and what is the significance of it?


TIA
-RIC

LWatford 11-22-2007 07:58 PM

Baritone guitar is usually a guitar down a fifth from normal guitar tuning. The intervals between the strings stay the same, but instead of being E-e, you'll have B-b or A-a.

Rock 'n Christ 11-22-2007 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LWatford (Post 3106713)
Baritone guitar is usually a guitar down a fifth from normal guitar tuning. The intervals between the strings stay the same, but instead of being E-e, you'll have B-b or A-a.



So its a guitar specifically designed for drop tuning?

Can it do standard tuning as well?

Rock 'n Christ 11-22-2007 09:24 PM

For those who remember at the beginning of this thread (also in the title :)), I was talking about getting a Schecter C-7 Hellraiser 7-string guitar for Christmas and then having my grandparents get me something for $100. My parents told me this morning that their not going to help me get the guitar for Christmas (I was going to pay at least half), and getting a new, far better guitar then my own is higher on my priority list than getting a(n) footboard/pedalboard/etc, so I'll be asking my grandparents for a gift card to GC instead of the footboard to go towards the guitar, so the footboard is going to have to wait, but I would like to see this discussion continue about the FBV/POD/etc. products.

I will still be checking in as often as I can and something else may come up that would allow me to get a footboard for Christmas. But for now, can we switch the discussion to 7-string guitars and/or the Schecter guitar I mentioned.


-RIC

I ran across Baritone guitars, something I had never considered before until now. What would you consider buying for a drop-tuned (about 75% of time and playing to bands like Demon Hunter) guitar player: the Schecter C-1 EX Baritone Blackjack or Schecter C-7 Hellraiser 7-string?


the Baritone is $150 cheaper

Hopeful 11-22-2007 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock 'n Christ (Post 3106807)
So its a guitar specifically designed for drop tuning?

Can it do standard tuning as well?

Baritone guitars have longer scale lengths, typically from 26.5 inches like in the Schecter to 29.5 inches in the Gretsch. They are meant to play lower notes and it makes no sense to use it otherwise - although you could tune it any way you want. But, why mess with a good thing? ;)

If you want to have that ability in a standard guitar, get the Fender VG Strat. It has a baritone setting.

Adam B 11-22-2007 10:54 PM

Doesn't Matt Redman play a baritone guitar for some songs? I've seen him with a Danelectro electric guitar on the Facedown DVD, and I thought I heard him say at one point that he used a baritone. Can anybody else verify this?

KaiserZr 11-22-2007 11:05 PM

I have never own a 7 string guitar, but I do own a 5 string bass (both add the B-string)... I will tell you could play tabs written in drop-b with out detuning, but you would have to transcribe the tabs. As for bar chords... considering most involving the 6 string using the root note have the high B-string barred on the same fret as the 6th string I figure you would just bar that note...if you wanted it, but that would be an inverted chord if I am not mistaken since the first note is not the root note.

KaiserZr 11-22-2007 11:15 PM

for a drop-tuned player I would say neither, get a good 6 string save some money for the controller board for your amp. My old room mate in college was in a metalcore band and he used a 6 string schecter (I forget which model) on his Marshal amp and it sounded great. Now he was playing drop-C most of the time, but I personally play drop-B quite often when practicing Skillet, East West, and Demon Hunter and my Ibanez cuts it pretty good, minus the initial hassle of getting it tuned since my tremolo setup doesn't like it... I might need to add a 5th spring.

thesteve 11-22-2007 11:52 PM

hmm...since you plan on playing drop tuned most of the time, I don't think that the baritone is necessarily a bad choice, after all...it's already tuned B, E, A, D, F#, B...

and that C-1 EX Baritone Blackjack has a good set of pickups in it stock.

ryanxxxx 11-23-2007 06:34 AM

ok so yeah i had a seven string for about a year and i loved it
the tuning is BEADGbe and yes you can play drop b songs but not without a little thought
as far as chords are concerned
i think chords involving seven strings sound ugly but you can play any bar chord with the root on the E string and play an inversion with the fifth on the bottom by barring the seventh string as well.

what kind of seven string are you getting?
i had a schecter c-7 blackjack and i loved it i still do but i sold it to knock a couple bucks off my taylor which i love more.

but if you dont know what kind you are going to get then i really suggest the c-7 blackjack its really pretty and you can get some really good tones out of it
the pickups it comes with are pretty nice and you can take it from like really nice cleans to really heavy metal\
and with the right eq settings you can slap on it and it sounds like your slapping on the high end of a bass
i kinda miss that guitar
oh well
hope that helped

7 strings = AMAZING

Rock 'n Christ 11-23-2007 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryanxxxx (Post 3106967)
ok so yeah i had a seven string for about a year and i loved it
the tuning is BEADGbe and yes you can play drop b songs but not without a little thought
as far as chords are concerned
i think chords involving seven strings sound ugly but you can play any bar chord with the root on the E string and play an inversion with the fifth on the bottom by barring the seventh string as well.

what kind of seven string are you getting?
i had a schecter c-7 blackjack and i loved it i still do but i sold it to knock a couple bucks off my taylor which i love more.

but if you dont know what kind you are going to get then i really suggest the c-7 blackjack its really pretty and you can get some really good tones out of it
the pickups it comes with are pretty nice and you can take it from like really nice cleans to really heavy metal\
and with the right eq settings you can slap on it and it sounds like your slapping on the high end of a bass
i kinda miss that guitar
oh well
hope that helped

7 strings = AMAZING




Im making a decision between a Schecter C-7 Hellraiser (7-string) and the Schecter C-1 EX Baritone Blackjack (6-string).

Rock 'n Christ 11-23-2007 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesteve (Post 3106928)
hmm...since you plan on playing drop tuned most of the time, I don't think that the baritone is necessarily a bad choice, after all...it's already tuned B, E, A, D, F#, B...

and that C-1 EX Baritone Blackjack has a good set of pickups in it stock.


so the Schecter Baritone is already in its own version of Drop B? (meaning you could play 6-string Drop B tabs with this Baritone's standard tuning)

will I have to transverse tabs as I would have to with a 7-string?

also, will this guitar do well in standard tuning? (standard tuning about 20-25% of time)

Rock 'n Christ 11-23-2007 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hopeful (Post 3106857)
Baritone guitars have longer scale lengths, typically from 26.5 inches like in the Schecter to 29.5 inches in the Gretsch. They are meant to play lower notes and it makes no sense to use it otherwise - although you could tune it any way you want. But, why mess with a good thing? ;)

If you want to have that ability in a standard guitar, get the Fender VG Strat. It has a baritone setting.




So..................

Is the Schecter BT's standard tuning (B-b) the equivalent of a regular 6-string's Drop B?

Can the Schecter BT's standard tuning be used in regular 6-string Drop B tabs without changing the tuning or transversing the tab?

Rock 'n Christ 11-23-2007 09:50 AM

EMG 81/85's or Seymour-Duncan '59's?
 
I'm thinking about purchasing a Schecter C-1 EX Baritone Blackjack, and it has the SD '59 pickups, Ive heard several good and bad reviews of these pickups. the Schecter C-7 Hellraiser (along with many other guitars) have EMG 81/85 pickups, and Ive only heard good things about the EMG's. Which set of pickups would you prefer?



P.S. Drop tuning (primarily Drop B and C#)= 75% of time Standard tuning= 25% of time.


TIA
-Cam


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