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RipVanWinkle 07-26-2006 02:14 PM

Myth: Best equipment = best tone

Fact: While the equipment does help in good tone, the fingers make up the majority of it.

xevan 07-26-2006 05:09 PM

the fingers seriously ? then how do you know if you have good fingers or bad fingers????

RipVanWinkle 07-26-2006 05:11 PM

Are you serious, or joking?

Im being serious...

thesteve 07-26-2006 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RipVanWinkle (Post 2522248)
Are you serious, or joking?

Im being serious...

I think he's being serious too.

while experienced guitarists seem to agree that "tone is from the fingers", often we throw that phrase out there and assume everryone knows that we're referring to style and technique. for a guitar novice, to hear the phrase "tone is in the fingers" may conjure up ideas that tone literally comes from the physical features of your fingers. This is akin to asking a 6 year-old, "do you want Jesus in your heart?" (whch is often thrown around as the salvation question) and getting the response, "no...it's not big enough for him."

furthermore, while ability is the ultimate determinant of whether or not a person can sound good, often I think that we use the "tone is in the fingers" argument superfluously. Whether or not a person has ability is "in the fingers" (maybe this isn't as obvious as it seems), however to say that "tone" is in the fingers strikes me as an entirely different thing.

Now maybe I'm arguing semantics here, but what I'm wondering, is what kind of fingers does Clapton have, and why are their tone so much different than James Hetfield's, which is entirely different than Dick Dale's.

What5647 07-26-2006 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by thesteve;
furthermore, while ability is the ultimate determinant of whether or not a person can sound good, often I think that we use the "tone is in the fingers" argument superfluously. Whether or not a person has ability is "in the fingers" (maybe this isn't as obvious as it seems), however to say that "tone" is in the fingers strikes me as an entirely different thing.

i agree 100%
i think we ought to start calling amp/equipment sound as "tone," and player sound as "skill." and collectively refer to both as a guitarist's "sound." when i was starting playing guitar, the statement "tone is in the fingers" threw me for a loop, and i ended up with some crappy gear. let's start to clearly define what we're talking about/

MJ_Avalanche 07-26-2006 08:41 PM

Along those same lines, "tone is in the fingers" sometimes gets added along with "Oh, they can even make a crappy guitar/amp/pedal/rig sound great". There's only one problem with that statement. If the gear in question is crappy, it likely will be crappy sounding, whether you play like the most beginning novice, or Pat Metheny.

gtrdave 07-26-2006 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ_Avalanche (Post 2522420)
Along those same lines, "tone is in the fingers" sometimes gets added along with "Oh, they can even make a crappy guitar/amp/pedal/rig sound great". There's only one problem with that statement. If the gear in question is crappy, it likely will be crappy sounding, whether you play like the most beginning novice, or Pat Metheny.

Not so fast.
Even supposedly "crappy" gear can sometimes be made to sound fairly acceptable. It just takes a set of ears to hear and a pair of hands to manipulate.

Jimi Hendrix playing "Hear My Train a' Comin'" on a semi-out-of-tune 12 string acoustic still sounds as cool as only Hendrix could.

What5647 07-26-2006 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gtrdave (Post 2522426)
Not so fast.
Even supposedly "crappy" gear can sometimes be made to sound fairly acceptable. It just takes a set of ears to hear and a pair of hands to manipulate.

Jimi Hendrix playing "Hear My Train a' Comin'" on a semi-out-of-tune 12 string acoustic still sounds as cool as only Hendrix could.

but see, to me that's a showcase of his skill, the noises the guitar is making are not as nice as those from better gear.

gtrdave 07-26-2006 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by What5647 (Post 2522493)
but see, to me that's a showcase of his skill, the noises the guitar is making are not as nice as those from better gear.

Maybe so, maybe not.
I feel much like the original poster of the thread; "tone" is more in the fingers than some people believe.
It's actually more in the technique of the player than the fingers themselves.

That said, a Squier Strat through a Rage 158 is not tone heaven, fo' sho', but a skilled player can probably get acceptable "tone" through that setup.

On the contrary, buying a Tyler to play through a Bad Cat is not going to insure the best tone or even good tone if the one handling the gear is a little under par with their technique.

Some of the best "tone" I've ever heard is a player with killer chops playing through a mutt guitar and a well-tuned run-of-the-mill tube amp. You know that guy; he's in the house band at some club and his gear is nothing to look at but he makes it sound great?
His "tone" is the result of putting in the time on his instrument.

RipVanWinkle 07-26-2006 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gtrdave (Post 2522527)
It's actually more in the technique of the player than the fingers themselves.

Excuse me for my incorrect usage of words. This is what I meant...

thomaspg70 07-26-2006 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RipVanWinkle (Post 2522117)
Myth: Best equipment = best tone

Fact: While the equipment does help in good tone, the fingers make up the majority of it.

So very true. I mean the tone is almost always in your fingers but it isn't in something like "i'll use a hollowbody for the greatest metal tone". In that case the tine is in the guitar and not in your fingers.

thesteve 07-26-2006 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by thomaspg70 (Post 2522562)
So very true. I mean the tone is almost always in your fingers but it isn't in something like "i'll use a hollowbody for the greatest metal tone". In that case the tine is in the guitar and not in your fingers.

Ted Nugent...?

Rainer. 07-26-2006 11:54 PM

My hollowbody does metal awesomely. I use 12s on it, it downtunes like none of my other guitars can.

I can make any of my guitars sound metal if I want. I can make any of them sound folky, I can make any of them sound bluesy. It's my technique that makes 'em sound like that, not any inherent property of the guitar.

ApparentlyNothing 07-27-2006 01:45 AM

I don't think this is 100% true. I mean, I've known some awesome guitarists who could rip it up, but had crap for gear. They played awesome, but their tone makes me want to throw up.

It's true that knowledgeable guitarists can use mediocre gear and get a good sound out of it, but crappy gear = crappy tone no matter how good you are.

But don't worry. I still think crappy technique + awesome gear = still crap.

Jenacen 07-27-2006 08:18 AM

Ok so maybe the new myth is "It's all in your fingers." :-/


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