The Fray on air 1???

[spyrotheleo]

Why is the fray on air 1? Are they a christian band? I was just suprissed to hear them on there. And there on the top 20 http://air1.com/music/chart/
Any thought on this? Thanks

[Nate]

Payola.

[bobthecockroach]

Or the alternative, yet equally cynical explanation:

When most people say "Christian music," what they really mean is music that isn't too depressing or loud and doesn't contain any naughty words. The fact that this station proclaims itself merely "The Positive Alternative" makes me think that their definition of Christian music is roughly what I said: positive music.

Of course, now we must define positive music. Positive music is music that sounds emotional, isn't openly hateful, and doesn't contain any naughty words. If you haven't noticed, "positive" bands almost inevitably cause threads on message boards asking if they're Christian or not. If they're really "positive," people will be convinced they are "Christian" even after they explicitally state that they are not. Example: Creed.

Over My Head clearly doesn't fit with the rest of their music (insofar as it does not belong to that set of "Christian" music that people are used to talking about), but it does have a nice emotional sound to it, and it's really popular, and it doesn't have any naughty words, so it can't really be that bad, can it? And if it's not that bad, it may as well be Christian!

... either that, or they're just trying to gain more listeners by playing popular music. I can't imagine why a radio station would want to do that.

[spyrotheleo]

I was just wondering because it just didn't seem like air 1 to do that. Usually they play bands that proclaim to be christians and you can see it in there music.

[bobthecockroach]

Oh ok... I listen to modern trash radio most of the time, so I wouldn't know. Haha.

[Brent]

The guys in The Fray *do* proclaim to be Christian and their music certainly fits into the "positive" genre according to most of the world's standards. Check out the last issue of Relevant if you want to know more about them. They are on the cover.

[thyfunkispure]

The guys in The Fray *do* proclaim to be Christian and their music certainly fits into the "positive" genre according to most of the world's standards. Check out the last issue of Relevant if you want to know more about them. They are on the cover.So they proclaim to be Christians in a Christian magazine, but what about on vh1 or MTV?

[thesteve]

I read an interview with them a while back, and it seemed to read like they (the members) were Christians, but didn't feel the need to identify themselves with and limit themselves to the Christian music market. It kinda reminded me of some interviews I'd read and heard from Lifehouse.

[Jeffrey]

The guys in The Fray *do* proclaim to be Christian and their music certainly fits into the "positive" genre according to most of the world's standards.

Members of The Fray met, if I recall correctly, in worship bands at local churches. But The Fray was never founded as a Christian band - not in the sense of being an evangelical, message-based band or a band associated with the sprawling Christian subculture.

Check out the last issue of Relevant if you want to know more about them. They are on the cover.

Relevant tries to make every halfway spiritual person they interview sound like a Christian.

[heisouronlyhope]

Why is the fray on air 1? Are they a christian band? I was just suprissed to hear them on there. And there on the top 20 http://air1.com/music/chart/
Any thought on this? Thanks

They are also on "The fish" (My Locial Ohio Christian Radio Station) they could be a christian band like In over my head that could mean like I'm in over my head without God....So there is a possiblity their a christian band.

[heisouronlyhope]

So they proclaim to be Christians in a Christian magazine, but what about on vh1 or MTV?

They aren't saying they aren't christians on vh1 or MTV but they are not saying they are......People don't ask if their christians on MTV and Vh1 so you can't blame them do you just walk up to someone and say Hi I'm christian not always.

[Hellfighter]

it seems we've added an eleventh commandment for bands "Thou Shalt Declare Always that you are a christian band."

I've always found this very stupid, bands like U2, Lifehouse, and The Fray have songs much more deeply spiritual than "Sadie Hawkin's Dance" yet they get shunned sometimes in christian culture, it is rediculous.

[thesteve]

it seems we've added an eleventh commandment for bands "Thou Shalt Declare Always that you are a christian band."

I've always found this very stupid, bands like U2, Lifehouse, and The Fray have songs much more deeply spiritual than "Sadie Hawkin's Dance" yet they get shunned sometimes in christian culture, it is rediculous.well at the same time (and as bob pointed out) it's possible to have positive and/or deeply spiritual songs without being Christian (example: Creed). I know personally I'm more comfortable with the idea of a band doing less spiritual songs but being explicitly Christian, than a band doing deeply spiritual songs and being implicitly Christian because of it.

either way, it can get pretty silly.

[bobthecockroach]

it seems we've added an eleventh commandment for bands "Thou Shalt Declare Always that you are a christian band."

I've always found this very stupid, bands like U2, Lifehouse, and The Fray have songs much more deeply spiritual than "Sadie Hawkin's Dance" yet they get shunned sometimes in christian culture, it is rediculous.
Maybe that's why I listen to U2 a lot more than I listen to Relient K. :lol:

[SwitchfootRulz!]

I've always found this very stupid, bands like U2, Lifehouse, and The Fray have songs much more deeply spiritual than "Sadie Hawkin's Dance" yet they get shunned sometimes in christian culture, it is rediculous.
Bingo.

DJ: That was The Fray coming in at #3 this week with Over My Head
Listener: Why are they on this station?!? They don't mention God at all...
DJ: Up next we have Hawk Nelson's hit single, California
Listener: Oh I love this song!

:rolleyes:

[thyfunkispure]

DJ: That was The Fray coming in at #3 this week with Over My Head
Listener: Why are they on this station?!? They don't mention God at all...
DJ: Up next we have Hawk Nelson's hit single, California
Listener: Oh I love this song!

:rolleyes:HAHA:rofl:

[spyrotheleo]

I don't get why people dog relient k and hawk nelson, they proclaim to be a christian band and not all bands have to get soo in depth, people can have fun some times.

[SwitchfootRulz!]

I don't get why people dog relient k and hawk nelson, they proclaim to be a christian band and not all bands have to get soo in depth, people can have fun some times.
That's my point...if the Backstreet Boys did a song some people wouldn't listen because they don't proclaim to to be a Christian band. If Plus One had the exact same song, the same people would be fine listening to it because they're a proclaimed Christian band.

I just think that's crazy. :yep:


And I like both Relient K and Hawk Nelson.

[Inked in Blood]

Hey guys, this is on The Fray not Christian vs Secular music.If you want to discuss whether or not The Fray is Christian then by all means go for it, but lets not get off onto Relient K and Hawk Nelson.

[spyrotheleo]

But it kind of gets to the point that would you trust someone about stuff that they have proven to be bad examples of? Why people listen to christian music is because they know that its going to be clean. And I just relized that this thing has spell check or something. And there are alot of words that have red ... under them lol.

Oh, I guess its just the new version of firefox lol.

[Brent]

Relevant tries to make every halfway spiritual person they interview sound like a Christian.

I disagree with that. I don't think Relevant *tries* to make anyone sound like a Christian. They don't claim to be an explicitly Christian magazine and they don't pigeonhole bands or people into it. They ask questions about religion and spirituality, they evaluate the amount of spiritual content in albums...they don't force a label on anyone. As for the Fray, they said they are Christians in the interview. The question they were answering wasn't even one that had anything to do with faith, but they chose to say "We're Christians..." I think the problem is with the reader in much the same way the Christian subculture works where if they say they are a Christian band I can listen to them, but if a 'secular' band does the same song I can't.....people are doing the same with Relevant and saying that if Relevant covers it then it's okay for me to listen to this person or band. It's not a position that Relevant has put themselves in, but one that our little subculture has so conveniently created just as they have in the music world.

[Jeffrey]

I wish I hadn't tossed away the Relevant I bought so I could cite examples. Relevant clearly markets itself to the hip underbelly of the Christian subculture, yet is very non-committal in what sorts of spirituality it praises. But that's a side topic for another forum.

[Brent]

I don't disagree with that, but that's very different than trying to "make every halfway spiritual person they interview sound like a Christian", which is your comment that I was expounding on.

[beau99]

I've always found this very stupid, bands like U2, Lifehouse, and The Fray have songs much more deeply spiritual than "Sadie Hawkin's Dance" yet they get shunned sometimes in christian culture, it is rediculous.

Uh?

U2 won multiple Dove awards in 1987.

[thesteve]

Uh?

U2 won multiple Dove awards in 1987.try again
http://www.doveawards.com/history/browse.cfm?year=1987

[beau99]

try again
http://www.doveawards.com/history/browse.cfm?year=1987

Hm... that's wierd. Either I had bad sources, or I misread what I saw. I'm going with the latter. I'm prone to an occasional mistake.

[Jeffrey]

I don't disagree with that, but that's very different than trying to "make every halfway spiritual person they interview sound like a Christian", which is your comment that I was expounding on.

My inspiration for that (admittedly snide) comment was their interview with Moby, where it seemed to me their writer touts, not merely mentions, Moby's faith, despite some of his comments about doctrine being a bit...off-base. They don't call him on that. If they're going to take mainly Christian advertisers, I'd like them to challenge their interviewees a bit more. "How do you reconcile..."

[Brent]

I don't disagree with you on that one. That would be the exception to what I was thinking. I do think that one was taking someone fairly "iconic" who says they are pretty "spiritual" and trying to squeeze them as much into the Christian faith as possible. There are a lot of "spiritual" musical and otherwise celebrities nowadays who have nothing to do with being a Christian... I think they say they are more to put a positive spin on themselves than to actually mean it.