what do yall think about creed? [Archive]

Brent

12-14-2001, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by guyforGod
hey alex, is the new cd better than human clay? There are posts upon posts about that very question/comparison in the actual Creed forum...I'm not sure why it wasn't moved to this section of the site, but alas, the posts are there still.

Originally posted by jmlouie
They just bite live. I've never seen them live, but on TV performances all Scott Stapp does is put a leg up on a monitor and sing....and that's ALL he does at live shows, too. I saw them back in 98 when they came to Augusta with Finger Eleven and Jimmie's Chicken Shack and that's all he did the entire time. That and curse and complain about people throwing quarters up on the stage...he threatened to walk off the stage and never come back if one hit him. Finger Eleven was (probably still is) the most AWESOME live band I've seen. Talk about a killer performance... I thought they were awesome then, but back then I listened to mainly secular stuff and a little Christian...now I pretty much listen to Christian exclusively, so I've lost touch with them a bit. Last I saw of them they've turned rather "evil looking"...at least more-so than they were back then. Music is still okay, but I liked the older stuff better. Anyway...Creed's live show made Stapp look like a pretty boy crybaby.

Brent

Scott

12-14-2001, 12:59 PM

what, he's meant to like getting coins thrown at him? i think you would be rather upset if it happened to you if you were playing a gig. No bands really put up with that. And if they do they are morons.

ChrisPeeper

12-14-2001, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by barberjo
I think all of their songs sound exactly the same.

And I think that Scott Stapp wishes he was Eddie Vedder.

John

HAHA!

WHAT A GUY!

EXACTLY WHAT I SAY!

GREAT POINTS!

I AM NOT ALOOOOOOOOOONE!!!!!!

(sorry I am just excited)

Hog

12-14-2001, 02:18 PM

I gotta agree with whoever said it before.CReed rocks!!!!!!!!!! Higher and Arms wide Open are awesome.Creed is the best secular band i know.

NothnButClay

12-14-2001, 02:51 PM

Someone just gave me Creed's CD Human Clay. I'll have to agree w/ a lot of you guys that they do have some great songs on there ... but, (like a good friend of mine would say ;) ) I think they need to get on one side of the fence or the other before they split their drawers ... :D (in other words, they need to go completely Christian, or completely secular and quit saying "we're Christians ...")

~nothnbutclay~

Hog

12-14-2001, 03:30 PM

Hey dude are you sure that they have said their Christians because i'v heard the opposite.

NothnButClay

12-14-2001, 03:37 PM

yeah :)

~nothnbutclay~

Brent

12-14-2001, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by scottyboy
what, he's meant to like getting coins thrown at him? i think you would be rather upset if it happened to you if you were playing a gig. No bands really put up with that. And if they do they are morons. Not *AT* him, just up on stage...mainly around the audience with some landing on stage. He just could have handled himself in a much more mature, non-whiny way.

Originally posted by NothnButClay
(in other words, they need to go completely Christian, or completely secular and quit saying "we're Christians ...") Not once have I seen, heard, read, or otherwise them saying "we're Christians ...". Care to give a source for that comment, as you seem rather sure of it upon reading your reply??? I've heard them openly reject Christianity and that's it...that's a far cry from "we're Christian's ...", though.

Brent

timberwolf_s

12-14-2001, 04:00 PM

in general, creed has damaged the name and little respect christian music has. they are definiteley not a christian band. religious maybe, occult maybe (probably closer; "my god will let me into his heaven if i'm a good little boy"), definiteley not christian though.

barberjo

12-14-2001, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by timberwolf_s
in general, creed has damaged the name and little respect christian music has. they are definiteley not a christian band. religious maybe, occult maybe (probably closer; "my god will let me into his heaven if i'm a good little boy"), definiteley not christian though.

Creed hasn't done any of that. Christians have by claiming Creed as a Christian band. They never wanted that label. We did it.

And I do not think they are of the occult.

john

Travis

12-14-2001, 05:02 PM

I like them. I think their new cd is incredible.

Playn4God

12-14-2001, 07:49 PM

I think they are awesome too, and want the new CD. As far as them being Christians, I am not so sure. People as them if they are Christians, and he says that religion is kinda a personal thing. I mean if you are a Christian, the Bible tells you to say "Yes, I am a Christian!" when someone asks you, not hide it.

NothnButClay

12-14-2001, 09:21 PM

It was a long time ago ... sorry if I got anyone upset about it. Don't want to get in any arguements over it. It's possible that their opinions have changed (i know how stupid that sounds :rolleyes: ), but I was just saying what I heard and it WAS long time ago.

~nothnbutclay~

screaming_broccoli

12-15-2001, 03:25 AM

ok, yeah, some of their songs sound exactly the same. That's because they play most, if not all, of their songs in the beginner's tuning (drop-d). But some of their lyrics have a christian meaning like in Higher "Can You take me higher, to a place where blind men see". Where else can that be??? Heaven maybe??? I think so. And in My Sacrifice, "When you are with me, I’m free…I’m careless…I believe" Not saying that you shouldn't believe in Him unless He's with you, but when you are drunk in the Spirit, you are careless, you ARE free.

just my 2 cents.

~screaming_broccoli~

screaming_broccoli

12-15-2001, 03:26 AM

oops, i didn't mean the beginner's tuning, but it's one of the easiest to play so i referred to it as a beginner's tuning.

Brent

12-15-2001, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by screaming_broccoli
oops, i didn't mean the beginner's tuning, but it's one of the easiest to play so i referred to it as a beginner's tuning. I don't think there's a need to apologize...it's rather true. Any tuning that you only need one finger to make most any chord in is a 'beginner's tuning' if you ask me. This is also the very reason most of their *music* all sounds the same. When you play in Drop-D there's not nearly as much variety with chord shapes as in standard or some other non-one finger tuning. Well, actually there's just as much variety, but if they wanted to use different shapes like that they wouldn't be in Drop-D...easier to look cool in that tuning. heh

Brent

ChrisPeeper

12-17-2001, 02:13 PM

Creed is definately not a Christian band, nor do they act like Christians at all. Don't you people watch VH1 Behind the Music perhaps one of the best shows of all time?

Scott

12-17-2001, 04:57 PM

drop d is a very easy tuning to get mystical, drony sounds out of.

HeavenBound

12-25-2001, 12:42 AM

i heard that they denied that they were a Christian band and that they are new agers

"BrooksB"

01-10-2002, 10:53 PM

hey Brent--

i went to go see creed in memphis about a year ago and finger eleven opened then too, but the people i was with caused me to be late--and i really regretted it because i was going more to see them than creed, and i came to find out that i had good reason to. don't get me wrong, i used to love creed, but after i started to listen to REAL heavy metal (and after seeing them live) i just, for some reason, could not stand to listen to creed anymore. i think scott stapp is really talented, but since my creed listening days, i've come across bands that have WAY WAY WAY more talent than creed. oh yeah, hooray for the creed bass player!! way to know when it's over

caztaweighz

01-11-2002, 03:51 PM

Creed is not my favorite band in the world. I have My own Prison. I like One. That's it. I'm not buying Weathered because the only song I like is My Sacrifice. I have heard all the others, and they all dis-rock (my word, don't take it)

caztaweighz

01-11-2002, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by HeavenBound
i heard that they denied that they were a Christian band and that they are new agers

They are actually Universalists. IOW: All roads lead home. If they worship Buddah, or God, or any other, you'll go to heaven. In reality, there's one way to the father. JESUS CHRIST! (as I believe not everyone here knows. no names though.)

LOPDAWG

01-11-2002, 04:04 PM

On their website, they say that they are not Christians. Scott Stapp used to be but rebelled and still has Christian influneces though in his lyrics. They all have a belief in God. Higher is not based on heaven as some of us think (I used to think the same thing), but it is based on the Hindu belief of NIRVANA. Its that state of mind where you are free and BLAH BLAH!! I used to like them but he uses G-D in What's This Life For? and said that he was trying to get across how upset he was. He said that he felt ok with God w/ it. My opinion disagrees though. I hope this helps.

AznSkaterChick

01-11-2002, 04:09 PM

I like some of creeds songs...

thats my opinioin.

Scott

01-12-2002, 06:54 AM

the hindus believe in Kurt et al? cooooool

kidding

(did anyone know that Kurt "borrowed" the name from an English 70s psychedelic band?)

Unregistered

01-14-2002, 03:28 PM

Hey, i know im unregistered, but i'm sick of all the Creed bashin i've seen on this site. First of all, Stapp is not trying to sound like Eddie Vedder, that is his natural voice, as a fact Brian Marshall made obcene remarks about Pearl Jam (the reason he was FIRED, he did not quit). About Mark Tremonti's playin', it is not a begginers tuning, every real guitarist would love to be able to play a chord with one finger and do other stuff whith the others at the same time. it's the people that try to impress others with their playing that don't make it.
As for all their songs sounding the same, that was so stupid, I refuse to comment.
As for their religious beliefs, they believe in God, they have different views on how to get to God. Scott Stapp is a Christian, (My Own Prison, Faceless Man) the reason I gave those examples is because all members of the band have said that the lyrics he writes are "...very much a part of his personality."
He does not deny God, he just refuses to be a part of anything that he thinks has more to do with rules than the issues of the heart. "there is a spiritual thrust to all my lyrics, spiritual, not religous, for me religion was always what not to do. Spirituality opens you up, set's you free." (that was close enough, i could'nt find the interview where he said that.)"...people should be able to have their own views, and should not have to be afraid of the backlash." A couple months ago, he recieved a reward and thanked God from the podium on TV. I did not see this but a reliable source told me the other day that they interviewed Stapps mom on TV, she said that after ten years of rebelion, he went back and made things right. Believe me, you can only do that in the strenght of God and by his prompting.
someone said that he thinks that if he's good he'll get to heaven.
BULL! ever listened to My Own Prison, Say I, My Sacrifice? he knows that the reason he has problems is because he has turned away from God.
He says he does'nt believe you need to be religious to have morals, and he says they have morals, I agree and disagree to a point. He has strong feelings against free sex, he disagrees with abortion, and his family is #1 in his life. to me, those are moralls.
Well, there is more i could say, but i had better stop, before i get into trouble. As a muscian, and a Christian, I have been most inspired by Creed, not only musically, but spiritually, I have gone through the same things Scott Stapp has. I don't agree with everything he does or says, but I believe I will see him on the "other side" (faceless Man)

caztaweighz

01-14-2002, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered
As for their religious beliefs, they believe in God, they have different views on how to get to God. Scott Stapp is a Christian, (My Own Prison, Faceless Man) the reason I gave those examples is because all members of the band have said that the lyrics he writes are "...very much a part of his personality."

No offense to creed, but even satan believes in God.
BTW, My comment some other time about them being universalist is what i remember he said on some mtv program.

Apparently, I was incorrect.

The Creed Webiste:
Are the members of Creed Christians?
"This is a very personal question because the whole foundation of being a Christian is a personal relationship. I can say that all the members believe in God, but we each differ on our methods to reach Him. We are all still learning and growing, and God can only answer this question, because who are we to say that being a Christian is the only way to heaven. I know this might be hard to understand for all the Christians who follow the band--and trust me, I know where you are coming from--but let us continue to seek, and if that is the way, then we will find, if we continue to knock, the doors will be opened." -- Scott Stapp

Adam

01-15-2002, 04:33 PM

I like Creed. Their music has constantly delivered good quality sound and structure.

pistolpete2

01-15-2002, 04:53 PM

We are all still learning and growing, and God can only answer this question, because who are we to say that being a Christian is the only way to heaven. -- Scott Stapp

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6.

"BrooksB"

01-15-2002, 06:09 PM

yes, Jesus did say that and i believe it true, but unfortunately not everyone believes in what the bible says. no number of bible verses and preachings can prove that to someone who doesn't believe in the bible. a very sad truth, huh?

ChrisPeeper

01-15-2002, 08:15 PM

I ask again, did anyone see VH1 Behind the Music on Creed? I rest my case.

pistolpete2

01-16-2002, 02:33 AM

screaming_broccoli

01-16-2002, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered
About Mark Tremonti's playin', it is not a begginers tuning, every real guitarist would love to be able to play a chord with one finger and do other stuff whith the others at the same time. it's the people that try to impress others with their playing that don't make it.

ok, my response to this is, that IT IS A BEGINNER'S TUNING!!! Anyone and everyone knows that dropped-d is a beginners' tuning. Using one finger to play a chord, hmmm, i would say a n00bie to the guitar. Yeah Mark Tremonti can do some extra stuff while playing but that's because all he does is play in a BEGINNER'S TUNING.

<font color="002eb5">~Screaming Broccoli~</font>

FaLa

01-17-2002, 02:48 AM

I've heard it since they first came out, but I still see absolutely no similarity between Creed and Pearl Jam. Stapp's voice is similar to Vedder's, but that is pretty much the case for every rock band these days. Look at Lifehouse, Nickelback,the Calling, etc. That seems to be the prefered style of singing these days, everyone wants to go down an octave below their natural range and add in lots of inflections and a little twang. This is one of the main reasons I don't listen to much mainstream rock, that style of singing is very annoying. I like a few Creed songs, I like older Pearl Jam stuff, and I like Lifehouse, but beyond that most new rock sucks. A lot of Creed's songs do sound really similar, but rather than make that a complaint about Creed I prefer to make it a complaint about modern rock. Every band sounds almost exactly the same, either they are this new "spiritual rock" or they are rapcore or whatever, but they all sound just alike. If you check out some older rock and indie rock you will often hear more variety in a single song than most modern rock bands have in an entire album. It's really quite sad. And as for drop-D being the beginner's tuning, I agree, but hay we were all beginners once. The only difference is that most players tend to move beyond simple stuff, rather than make a 5 or 6 album career out of it. I say turn a few more pegs and go for open D, a lot more sonic possibilities there. But anyways now I'm rambling.......

screaming_broccoli

01-17-2002, 06:59 AM

on this site, ur not rambling, you are entitled to your opinion. So, keep talkin if you want.

Unregistered

01-17-2002, 03:41 PM

Mark also playes in DADAdd (Are You Ready?, Faceless Man)
Standard (What's this Life For, One, Pity for a Dime)
DADGBd (My Sacrifice)

Unregistered

01-17-2002, 03:48 PM

I also forgot to add that you also gotta remember that they wrote their last album in a months time, and they still have sold almost 5 mil. copies in the last month, beat that!

But hey, it's a free country.

pistolpete2

01-17-2002, 03:52 PM

Nsync has also sold 5 mil...

Unregistered

01-17-2002, 03:55 PM

completely different story pal! All the chicks in the country are not obsessed with Creed. Do they even write their own music?

pistolpete2

01-17-2002, 03:58 PM

Well, actually, most of the girls I know do like Creed. And yes, it was the point, you said they're good because they sell, but then again, Emimnem and Limp Bizkit also sell alot, so they must be good. I could really care less about Nsync, but they sold alot of records, so I must be missing something.

Unregistered

01-17-2002, 04:13 PM

Yeah, I admit, I guess I know of girls that are hot on e'm too. I just saw a picture of Scott Phillips with a bunch of chicks on him. I think a lot of girls like Scott Stapps hair and leather pants. They are pretty muscular too (exept for maybe Tremonti). But anyway!
You aren't missing much not listening to Bizkits and Eminem either.

pistolpete2

01-17-2002, 04:17 PM

Yeah, I know I'm not missing anything. I also don't have much against Creed, they just take themselves WAY to seriously. Plus their shows are pretty dull, I mean, Mark Trumanti doesn't take his foot off the monitor the whole time! But oh well, I'd rather listen to Creed then Bizkit.

Unregistered

01-17-2002, 04:23 PM

I've seen Creed play, and I always thought they were passionate(or however you spell it, you get the picture) Scott Stapp always says he thinks their sincerity is the key to their success. I personally like serious music better than anything else. At least they don't make fools of themselves on stage.

FaLa

01-18-2002, 03:07 AM

Originally posted by pistolpete2
Yeah, I know I'm not missing anything. I also don't have much against Creed, they just take themselves WAY to seriously. Plus their shows are pretty dull, I mean, Mark Trumanti doesn't take his foot off the monitor the whole time! But oh well, I'd rather listen to Creed then Bizkit.

Hey he takes his foot off the moniter once in a while.... so he can walk up to the edge of the stage during the guitar solos hehehe
Don't forget his constant headbanging while singing foot-on-moniter style. After I saw them the first time me and my friends would always do impressions of him, we would find something to prop our foot on, bang our heads violently, and sing What's This Life For... pretty funny to watch actually.

They are a decent band, but anyone who argues they are good because they sell records should see a shrink. Take a brief look at the Billboard top 40 and tell me if all of the people on there are good too. I almost think if someone DOESN'T sell records then they must be pretty good......:D

Scott

01-18-2002, 12:55 PM

i agree there, the best bands are the ones without the pressure from record companies to produce music for the mass market. Nearly all bands get worse as time goes on, Creed being one of them, not saying the new album isnt good, just not as good.

screaming_broccoli

01-18-2002, 02:00 PM

i would like to know where you get this information on what he plays and what songs he plays that tuning

Unregistered

01-19-2002, 12:02 PM

I don't think they are good just because they sell. yeah, I agree, a lot of the top 40 suck. I am saying they are good because they can write an album in a month that people like. as a musician, I realize that writing music is not for showing off, it is to express feelings. And, if you want to make your voice heard, you gotta do it in a way people like. A lot of people don't like Creed because they focus on the melody and guitars to express themselves instead of the beat (like most punk rockers and urban musicians).
Where do i get my info on his tunnings? music books and by playing them. but hey, I am willing to admit now that Mark could tune a little more. Myself, i use drop-d some of the time, but most of the time I use open Dsus: DGDGAD. Most of the time standard is kinda sucky. Something i was wondering, why does everybody pick on Creed for drop-d, but never P.O.D? they use it just as much and are not nearly as creative as Mark is playing in it. (what did I say about urban music?) just kidding. P.O.D is better than most in their genre.

Urgstrd Creed fan

01-28-2002, 03:32 PM

Did i hit a sore spot with my question about P.O.D? i was'nt trying to. just wondering why.

pistolpete2

01-28-2002, 05:40 PM

Not with me, I don't usually like drop d in any case, although I do like P.O.D., but I think Stavesacre does the best stuff in d.

JB88keyz

02-03-2002, 03:17 PM

You could argue for hours about this and never come to a conclusion. However, I've read an article done on Creed by a Christian music magazine (I forgot what it was called), and it clearly stated that Creed denied Christianity. What Stapp feels is that he is still searching for his answers about life and afterlife. He wants to express his desperation to find answers through his music, and he is desperate because he doesn't trust in the One Creator, God of all the universe. Now, I'm pretty sure that if he doesn't trust in God, he's not a Christian (doh!). Some of the lyrics to "My Sacrifice" were quoted earlier: "When you are with me, I'm free, I'm careless, I believe..." You forgot to keep going: "Above all the others we'll fly..." Now to me this is definately Biblically inaccurate. God doesn't take one follower and place him above all the rest in a spiritual sense (which Stapp's lyrics as he says are spiritual, not religious). Now I like some of Creed's music, even "My Sacrifice." But this is to clear up any confusion about their faith....they have no faith in any one thing, just in the fact that there's something greater out there and they have not yet accepted that Something Greater is God. This post is in no means to bash Creed or offend anyone who disagrees....but I've accepted this as truth about their faith.
In His Hands,
Jase

froggee501

02-03-2002, 08:15 PM

I don't always trust in God....it's a human thing......I don't always trust in him, I let my humaness take me over.....However, I still consider myself a Christian, and so do other people, and so does God...........Creed is not any more perfect than me, just because they are famous.........extend them the same courtesy of recognizing their humaness!

Not always trusting in God does not equal NOT being a christian, hun.

:)

Travis

02-03-2002, 10:55 PM

Emma,

Creed has openly denied Christianity and expressed Universalist views.

Scott

02-04-2002, 01:20 PM

!!!travis changed his name!!!

Yeah, they used to be christians though.

z o e

02-04-2002, 01:24 PM

AS usual, I didn't read the thread. I liked My Own Prison a fair amount, but their new(er) stuff is just so same sounding. They sound way too much like themselves. ;) So on a scale from 1 to eight I give them a 3.5 on my popularity ladder. good times. :)

bleachedrhino

02-04-2002, 01:27 PM

When did they announce Universalist views or whatever? :confused:
I like the new cd...it's really good...my favorite song is One Last Breath.....but, anyways...i didn't read the thread...:p

z o e

02-04-2002, 01:28 PM

Im such a nerd..AHHH I can't edit. I meant a 6.5. :) And also, they are a very good band, just not to my taste.

bleachedrhino

02-04-2002, 01:29 PM

Is eight the high end...cuz you coulda just told everyone that 1 was the good end...or vice versa.....:D

Scott

02-04-2002, 01:35 PM

yeah, i think someone posted the announcement in this thread, or some other thread....

bleachedrhino

02-04-2002, 01:45 PM

ohhh...what a bummer! :rolleyes:

JB88keyz

02-04-2002, 04:22 PM

Of course we don't always trust in God....what I said was they never trusted God with their LIFE...in other words, they never personally accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior. I'm not trying to be untraditional or critical, just simply stating my interpretation of what Creed has said and done through their careers.

unrgstrd Creed fan

02-04-2002, 04:29 PM

Uh... i think their is a little confusion here. Somebody said that they have denied Christianity. Bull. I think you need to got away from others opinions and go to their website and see what they have to say about that. and i think i delt with this issue earlier. (the really long post by unregistered a ways back)

unrgstrd Creed Fan

02-04-2002, 04:37 PM

Oh...and you said that they have never trusted Jesus Christ in their life. THEY hav'nt, but Stapp has. Don't believe me? if you want i can start quoting alot of things they have said.

thrice_denied

02-04-2002, 05:30 PM

well, i dont claim to have read or know everything about Creed and if my post is ignored i promise I wont be hurt. I have seen a little bit of them on my local christian television station while the lead singer talked about his 'christian-esque' songs. He said at that interview that he wasnt saved but his songs were his way of finding how he fits into whatever God's will is. Sort of him feeling his way or just getting his feet wet in God. I as a person do not listen to Creed as they are still classified as a secular band. I dont see the point in bible bashing those who listen to them(im just saying that, not that im talking about any of you...remember I havent read this thread). But I encourage the lead singer in his journey towards Christ and pray that he leads his group to where he feels God wants them to be. I would love to see a turn around toward a Christian music genre in Creed. Maybe one of the things that may be at least keeping some of them back is that there is a great deal larger of money in the secular music industry than there is in the Christian music industry. It is a great deal tempting we all must admit. But I think all we should do is pray they 'turn out right' if i can be so vulgar. This is my 1 1/2 cents...

In Christ,

JB88keyz

02-04-2002, 07:15 PM

OK, I checked the Creed website and read the quote from Scott Stapp HIMSELF: "Who are we to say that being a Christian is the only way to God?" He said they are searching for their own answers on how to find God. Jesus clearly stated that He is the "way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me." Sure, maybe he grew up in the church; his parents were strict Presbytirians (or however you spell it). But does that mean he has found his way to Jesus and laid down his life for the Lord? No.....I don't believe it does. Don't get me wrong...I don't disrespect Scott Stapp or any other members of Creed at all; in fact, I actually like some of their music. But the issue is whether or not they're Christian...and I don't believe they are. It's not a sin to be a secular rock band, so I'm not condemning Creed. I'm merely stating my belief that Scott Stapp is himself lost; that's why he says he's searching for answers. I also believe that he knows he is lost, he just doesn't know if he wants to commit his life to being found by Jesus and living for Him.

Unregistered

02-05-2002, 12:35 PM

I had to point this out:

Is Creed a Christian band?
"Are we a Christian band? This is a question we are asked a lot because of some of the references made in the lyrics. No, we are not a Christian band. A Christian band has an agenda to lead others to believe in their specific religious beliefs. We have no agenda! Those references were made at a time in my life when I was questioning how I was raised, and searching for where I stood concerning those issues. This is not to say I have abandoned those beliefs, just searching for where they fit into my life." -- Scott Stapp

Are the members of Creed Christians?
"This is a very personal question because the whole foundation of being a Christian is a personal relationship. I can say that all the members believe in God, but we each differ on our methods to reach Him. We are all still learning and growing, and God can only answer this question, because who are we to say that being a Christian is the only way to heaven. I know this might be hard to understand for all the Christians who follow the band--and trust me, I know where you are coming from--but let us continue to seek, and if that is the way, then we will find, if we continue to knock, the doors will be opened." -- Scott Stapp

If Creed is a Christian band, why does Scott say "God ****" in WTLF?
"Why do we use GD in WTLF? First of all let me say that there was never an intention of cursing God. It was strictly an emotional response to a tragic situation of losing two friends to suicide. I know some of you live by the words of never taking the Lord's name in vain, and I feel in my heart that there was never that intention. Some of you will never agree with my use of that word, and I respect your convictions. I guess this is between God and me, and my heart has no conviction for the use of this word because I feel God understood my situation. If some of you could look at the bigger picture in that song and not focus on the word, you would understand that it is a cry to the lost, put in a way that they could understand." -- Scott Stapp

-domenic

Unregistered

02-05-2002, 12:37 PM

These were all taken from the FAQs from www.creednet.com, creed's official site.

Just needed to be proper.

-domenic

Scott

02-05-2002, 02:00 PM

thanks domenic, hope that settles it.

JB88keyz

02-05-2002, 08:23 PM

Yes, thanks a lot domenic...I guess if people still won't agree....well they are entitled to their opinion, but they can go to the site themself and see. I apologize if I offended anyone or made too big a deal out of this.
In the Peace of Christ,
Jase

Cadence

02-05-2002, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by FaLa
I like Lifehouse, Lifehouse rocks, Creed sucks. I think Scott's voice is too monotone and too inflectious. It bugs the crap out of me. Yes Jason Wade sounds similar but he's got a MUCh better sound and feel to his voice.

JB88keyz

02-05-2002, 09:00 PM

Yeah I've come to like Lifehouse lately too...but I don't know too many of their songs. I think I'll get their CD....but let me know of any good songs to DL on Morpheus, I already have Hanging By A Moment.
Peace and love and grace and everything nice,
Jase

Cadence

02-05-2002, 09:28 PM

Jase, get the whole CD. You WON'T be disappointed. Hanging by a Moment isn't even thier best song. You'll love their CD

Unregistered

02-06-2002, 07:31 PM

Thank you for posting from Creed's site. (i would have a long time ago if i could've figured out how) A couple things i would like to point out. you will notice he says he never turned away from the beliefes he grew up with, he never says they are not Christians, and he says they are currently searching out Christianity. I also cannot say that It is the only way, I am mortal, God says it is, and i believe Him.
You cannot ignore things like-"...so won't you come inside and never go away" to a warrior whose yoke is easy, and his burdens light. this is secular rock-not christian or pop. rock musicians (secular anyway) do not write music about something that they do not experience. if you take quotes from other band members about the lyrics, you will get the answer that they are very much apart of his life.
You cannot have a relationship with God like that described in My Sacrifice unless you are a Christian. (and about the critism about that song earlier-above all the others...-I am not sure that is what he is refering to. ''Hey God, I know i am just a dot in this world, have you forgot about me?"(Don't stop dancin') You cannot expect a reforming rebel to be theologically corrct can we?
In the FAQ about WTLF he talks as though he has a relationship with God.
But these are just things I see and take into consideration. Only God truly knows if they are Christians. As it has been said before, we all are entitled to our own opinions. (and they don't change the truth)

"Step inside the light and see the fear of God burn inside of me, the gold we put to blame, to burn, to kill, to mold into purity."(Unforgiven) Ya think he looked into the future and read this thread before he wrote that song? j/k If you don't know that song, i think you need to listen to it or read the lyrics-it deals with this topic.

unrgstrd Creed fan

02-06-2002, 07:43 PM

What do you think about the"cry to the lost" statement in the FAQ about WTLF. Is he saying he is not?
That was me up there. yea, i know, another really long one.

Travis

02-07-2002, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered
you will notice he says he never turned away from the beliefes he grew up with, he never says they are not Christians

Actually, I think this statment is false. If it indeed is then all the rest of your post is irrelevant, because his word that he was not a Christian would outweigh any lyrical evidence.

Originally posted by Unregistered
I also cannot say that It is the only way, I am mortal

Excuse me? :confused:

Unrgstrd Creed fan

02-07-2002, 03:04 PM

>Is Creed a Christian band?<(quoted from that FAQ)
"...that is not to say I have abandoned those beliefs..."
Or do you mean that he was lying when he said that? If so, you are saying everything else he says is also a lie also. And if that is correct, you are judging the character of someone you don't know. THat is also unbiblical. I don't mean any offence to you if that what was your reference. I respect your opinions.
Also I challenge you to try to convince any unsaved religious person that Christianitiy is the only way. I don't believe that you will convince them in your own power or words. Like I said before, I KNOW that it is the only way because the One who determined that (JAH) said so.
I also do not believe that he thinks all roads lead to heaven, I believe he know that only one way to get there.
"...a Lion roars in the darkness, ONLY he holds the key, a light to free me from my burden and grant me life eternally."
That has also been on their site for a long time. There have been recent evidences of a return to God in his life. A couple examples in my first post if you want to check them out. (interview with mother, acknowledging God on TV)
ANd because you said he doesn't want to surrentder things to become a Christian, I think you need to watch the MY SACRIFICE music video. (I know you don't think that their lyrics are irrevelent
check out Stand WIth ME(i think) great God-inspired, relationship-proving song.

Travis

02-07-2002, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Unrgstrd Creed fan
>Is Creed a Christian band?<(quoted from that FAQ)
"...that is not to say I have abandoned those beliefs..."
Or do you mean that he was lying when he said that?

That is one possibility. Also he could think he is a Christian and not be or that FAQ may be out of date.

Originally posted by Unrgstrd Creed fan
If so, you are saying everything else he says is also a lie also.

What? How so? :confused:

Originally posted by Unrgstrd Creed fan
And if that is correct, you are judging the character of someone you don't know. THat is also unbiblical.

I am not doing that at all! I am saying that if he said he is not a Christian then he is not. How is that judging someone's character?? :confused:

Originally posted by Unrgstrd Creed fan
Also I challenge you to try to convince any unsaved religious person that Christianitiy is the only way. I don't believe that you will convince them in your own power or words.

What in the world does this have to do with anything?

Originally posted by Unrgstrd Creed fan
I also do not believe that he thinks all roads lead to heaven, I believe he know that only one way to get there.
"...a Lion roars in the darkness, ONLY he holds the key, a light to free me from my burden and grant me life eternally."

You are quoting from their first album. It has been a while, man. I am not sure if he has said the things that people have alleged but if he has then he is not a Christian.

Originally posted by Unrgstrd Creed fan
A couple examples in my first post if you want to check them out. (interview with mother, acknowledging God on TV)

Here are a couple of people that believe in God: Ossama bin Laden (allah), Satan (the real God, he is just against him).

Originally posted by Unrgstrd Creed fan
ANd because you said he doesn't want to surrentder things to become a Christian, I think you need to watch the MY SACRIFICE music video.

Please quote me on saying that. I don't think I did. Don't put words in my mouth.

Unregistered

02-08-2002, 02:45 PM

Have you read the lyrics to their new album? Yea, MOP was a long time ago. but Weathered was'nt.
I am sorry i miss quoted you, you did not say that, someone else did. the not wanting to surrender part.
THe part about convincing an unbeliever came from your confusion about my "I also cannot say that it is the only way, I am mortal" statement.
I must add that all members past and present (yea, i know only one past member) exept for Mark Tremonti ( who I have never heard comment on the subject) have said that the lyrics are a very REAL PART of his (Scott S.) life. And i don't believe they are going to lie time and time again about the subject. Especially because Scott P. and Brian Marshall both pretty much disagreed with them. (the lyrics)
And because of the open talk of a relationship with God in his songs, I have to say that he has excepted Jesus CHrist into his heart. If he has indeed said that his is not a Christian (which I have never heard him say). I believe he says that because "...I hate... to be labeled." To let you know, i disagree with that. I also think he does not want to be confused with the Christians that were the cause of his rebellion in the first place. They left a bad example for him to follow. And I believe his mother when she says he is a Christian, and has made things right with them and God. She claims the reason he made things right was because he saw himself doing the same things with his son as they did with him (some of the reasons he rebelled). the reason i believe her, is because she is a no apology Christian, and doe'snt regret the way they raised him. Pete also denied being with Jesus. (where did that come from? I don't know, but i'll leave it there)
I did not say he only BELIEVES in God. I said he ACKNOWLEDGED God. BIG difference. Allah in NOT God, I am not sure wether you were saying that or not.

Unrgstrd Creed freak

02-08-2002, 02:48 PM

I meant to say Peter! Not Pete. And sorry for all the misspelled words, incorrect English, etc.

Can u sae unedikated?

Travis

02-08-2002, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered
Have you read the lyrics to their new album?
Yes. I also have it and listen to it often.
Originally posted by Unregistered
If he has indeed said that his is not a Christian (which I have never heard him say). I believe he says that because "...I hate... to be labeled."
I don't think that a true Christian would constantly deny being a Christian.
Confessing with one's mouth is certainly deemed important in the Bible.
Originally posted by Unregistered
Pete[r] also denied being with Jesus. (where did that come from? I don't know, but i'll leave it there)
That is a good point. However, Peter denied him and that very night felt conviction and shame for what he had done and repented. He never did it again, and from then on was outspoken about Christ.
Originally posted by Unregistered
I did not say he only BELIEVES in God. I said he ACKNOWLEDGED God. BIG difference. Allah in NOT God, I am not sure wether you were saying that or not.
LOL whatever!
Anyways, please cite the difference because I don't see one.

Scott

02-08-2002, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by Unregistered
I did not say he only BELIEVES in God. I said he ACKNOWLEDGED God. BIG difference. Allah in NOT God, I am not sure wether you were saying that or not.
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LOL whatever!
Anyways, please cite the difference because I don't see one.

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ditto, to acknowledge something, you must believe it exists. And I'm pretty sure Travis isnt a muslim, unless he's been hiding it from us all...

urgstrd Creed freak

02-10-2002, 03:29 PM

What I meant by acknowledge was he gave God credit for what he has accomplished. (satan does not) I was not saying Travis was a muslim (sorry it came across that way) I know a lot of people who say that Allah is the same as JAH, yet they are not muslim.
Can I have a quote where he says he is not a Christian? (even if you can, I will still hold to the same statements as on the last post)
Let me kinda give you an evolution of Creed's albums. (and as you listen to Creed, you can correct me if I am wrong)
My Own Prison: A kind of defiant defence of his spirituality, where he also challenges Christians with the things he rebelled about.
Human Clay: A searching album where "...lead singer and songwriter Scott Stapp contemplates on how resposibilties, actions, and choices effect people." (www.creednet.com) He realizes that he has driven God away and seeks to make ammends for past mistakes.
Weathered: An album where "...evidences of a genuine, Christian faith persist." (a Christian music critic in WORLD magazine). Where he goes from searching to actually talking about his relationship with God.
I think you would agree that it is a healthy evolution.
I am not trying to convince you that he is a Christian, I just want you to leave room that he could be a Christian. As he says "only God can answer this question." I believe it is between him and God, believe me, if I ever get a chance to meet him, that will be the first thing I will ask him. Not if he wants to call himself a Christian, but if he has asked Jesus Christ to be his Saviour.
I understand where he is, and where he comes from. I too rebelled for the same reasons, and it was him that initially challenged me to search higher. Which led me to God, not a God that is so concerned about the rules I follow, but is more concerned with the desires of my heart.

Mithrandir

02-10-2002, 03:45 PM

I just wanted to throw my two cents in on this...
Why debate for hours about whether he's a Christian? God knows his heart. That's all that matters. It's not for us to judge, and there's no way for us to know. They aren't a Christian band , we know that. They are searching for God; we know that too. I believe that if they're honestly searching... and it sure seems like it from they're lyrics... then God is going to touch their hearts and reveal the truth to them. But that's between them and God, and for God to do in His own good time. What business is it of ours to judge Scott's heart or debate what's going on within it for pages on end?

Just had to speak my mind :).

Ali4God

02-10-2002, 03:48 PM

Well said, Eggy! I think the fact that they are searching (assuming that this is the case) is the important part.
*Alison*

unrgstrd Creed freak

02-11-2002, 03:36 PM

I agree with you also. That is why i put the last couple paragraphs on my last post. Thank you for coming in! I was starting to get tired of the issue. (not that i have changed my opinion any)

While we are still in business. Has anybody seen Creed in their Weathered tour yet? WHat did you think if you have? Are they still boring? I heard that Mark brought 10 guitars!! Geez, and he only uses like three or four tunnings. I heard they had plenty of energy this tour. (even though I never thought they were boring in the first place) .

*edit language boys and girls, no inference either.