Linkin Park (merged)

[XxBaTmaNxX]

I am surprised this un aint already showed up

i really like these guys and their cd was the first "secular" cd i bought besides llike pod

any one heard My December or High Voltage
they are cool but rare songs

[IAmCrossEyed]

I really like Linkin Park. Mainly because they aren't trashy like alot of other secular artists. Their cd isn't parental advisory, and even though they talk about kinda weird things sometimes, it mainly isn't ear vomit.

[Travis]

I like "Crawling" and "In the end" (?)

[Rach]

Originally posted by PleasuresPain
I like "Crawling" and "In the end" (?)


OOOOO, yeah those are definetly two of my favorites, as well as "One Step Closer".

[Manfred]

why is linkin park here in a christian guitar website?? linkin park christian band??

[veggies27]

I really like these guys....I heard an interview one time with them...They talked about how they dont swear in their songs because its a lot harder to write good songs without swearing...I like they rock

[bleachedrhino]

yeah! Linkin park is awesome! :D
Best tracks, in my opinion:
1) Runaway
2) Pushing Me Away
3) Place for My Head
4) Papercut
5) In the End
6) One Step Closer
7) Points of Authority
8) Whatever number 10 is?
9) Crawling (only cuz it's played out
10) By Myself
11) With You
12) The kool funky beat one...(?)
There is a very thin line between each one...cuz they're all kool
those are only from the Hybrid Theory cd.....
I've also heard My December....pretty kool.....
:cool:

[Travis]

Originally posted by Manfred
why is linkin park here in a christian guitar website?? linkin park christian band??

I don't guess you know how to look and see what forum you are in?

Originally posted by Veggies27
....I heard an interview one time with them...They talked about how they dont swear in their songs because its a lot harder to write good songs without swearing...

I don't think that then inclusion and exclusion of profanity in a song has any bearing as to how difficult it is to write.

[MercyMe]

The bass player from Linkin Park was in the Christian band "Tasty Snax".. just an interesting thought

[Scott]

well, if you use profanity in a song it gives you a far easier way to communicate anger or disgust. Rather than having to think up effective imagery or metaphors that don't sound cliched/awful.

[Scott]

a girl i know from florida knows the bass player, incidentally.

[the_postman]

why is linkin park here in a christian guitar website?? linkin park christian band??

I so don't think that you realize that most of Linkin Park's songs have Christian Messages.

Such as "One Step Closer" talks of his strugles in his life and how he's looking for something to heal his pain.

so therefore manfred, i don't think that you have any idea what you're talking about.

[Electricgrandpa]

A lot of their songs have interesting messages... One Step Closer has probably the worst message of all their songs, however.

I believe they also credit God in the credits in the cd liner... But I'm way too lazy to go check... Their first CD stuff was even better than hybrid theory, or at least a lot of it was...

However... Before you make too many good opinions of them... read this : http://www.family.org/pplace/pi/music/A0014883.html

aiight, adios.

-EG

[veggies27]

Originally posted by PleasuresPain
I don't think that then inclusion and exclusion of profanity in a song has any bearing as to how difficult it is to write.

I think they were just trying to say that if you took out the profanity in a lot of groups' songs, they wouldnt be as popular...

[XxBaTmaNxX]

man that family.org is sooo religious I bet there a bunch of "mature" adults that have life "all figured out"

i like place for my head

anyone heard the songs My December or High Voltage they really rock

[Electricgrandpa]

It sounds like you just don't want to admit that what you are listening to isn't as good as you thought it was? Read my post in the System Of A Down topic. They aren't really self righteous at all, and they don't come off being like that either. In saying that they are being self righteous, you are being self righteous yourself, by claiming them to be self righteous. It's hard to explain, but it makes sense. They are a guide for you, if you don't want to listen to what they say, then fine... But they aren't just doing it for themselves. I think you are being stubborn.

-EG

[bleachedrhino]

Actually travis....swearing or not swearing decides the difficulty of how to write a song for a lot of bands......notice the anger that comes in some of the songs of linkin park.....by not swearing....they might be keeping to themselves just how angry they are.....like for example....when you are really mad at someone....don't certain words tend to come to mind first?
I just heard high voltage and carousel....carousel wasn't as good as i thought it would be....high voltage was good, but it was only rap....:cool:

[Scott]

i would accept what those people on that website were saying if they had an even handed approach, instead of mostly putting things down for the fact it isnt christian. This is not the guide for quality, in case you didnt know.

[Electricgrandpa]

But we should be judging things on Christian morals and views... Not on worldy ones... That's why this site is good. It has nothing to do with the quality of the music, but instead, it's about what they are saying with the music, and whether that corresponds to what our values should be as Christians.

-EG

[Scott]

so you are saying that listening to some rubbish "Christian music" is better for us than listening to say..... Travis (the band not you travis :))? Which is in my opinion great lyrically and pretty decent musically? They are a pretty good band, not one of the best yet, but they still wipe the floor with most christian music. and even the best christian music is only as good as them.

[ChrisPeeper]

All they play in the weight room is Linkin Park.

I don't listen to much secular stuff and if I did it usually wouldn't be popular stuff. Here is my opinion:

I think they are very different which is very good. They have a pretty distinct sound. I also like the computer stuff they do. Another thing that you don't see too many bands doing is having 2 singers. I think that is nuts. With all this good stuff said about them, I just couldn't sit and listen to them in my room or on the computer. So while I think they are sweet for doing their own thing, I don't own the record.

[Playn4God]

haha, same in my weight room, Linkin Park, Saliva (ugh, can't stand the cussing!), just any hard rocak band....

[lifehouseguy]

linkin park is a band liek good charlotte,and u2 etc... whop are christian people but they dont sing "christian music"

[Electricgrandpa]

'cept that linkin park's old stuff is worse and does have swearing... but it's mostly the rapper... but still... I mean, IMHO if you're Christian you should be proud of it and tell people... and that should be represented in everything you do... We shouldn't have to sit here and discuss and try and figure out whether they are christian or not it should be obvious...

I don't know what my point is... but yeah.

-EG

[SenorPapaCabasa]

Your lucky....... all that plays in the weightroom at my school is rap........ ugh

[Playn4God]

haha, we get some rap too, just depends on what they feel like...

[Travis]

Originally posted by bleachedrhino
Actually travis....swearing or not swearing decides the difficulty of how to write a song for a lot of bands......

Maybe for them.

[lifehouseguy]

i always have to listen tor ap at weight room at school to.....just take the step and change teh station or put ina cd or something.....and im always accused of being racist when id o that,btu nthats another story..........anyway i bet the teahcer wants u to put on rock or something else just as much as u do

[Insane Drummer]

i love linkin park.... what is everyones favorite song by them???? mine is crawling or in the end ....can't dicide

[Nate]

Linkin Park rocks. And (I say this loosely), they are one of the most "theologically sound" secular bands out there. The fact that they have no cursing is another great thing.

Favorite song? In The End (seeing as it's built on a piano riff) :D

[Strider]

No cursing?

[Nate]

Not as far as I know.... I think they might have one song on their older EP with the S-word.... but I don't remember any cursing on Hybrid Theory.

[timberwolf_s]

linkin park is a band liek good charlotte,and u2 etc... whop are christian people but they dont sing "christian music"
good charlotte say they are christians??? wow, that one's over me... almost like p diddy saying he's christian... almost :)

[Scott]

i thought it was so funny when he changed his name to that after Jennifer Lopez started calling herself J.Lo , I'm sure it was some sort of dig at her for them breaking up.

[XxBaTmaNxX]

good charlotte has a song about God or sumthin but yah

[Travis]

Cussing has nothing to do with whether someone is Christian or not.

[Nate]

Originally posted by PleasuresPain
Cussing has nothing to do with whether someone is Christian or not.

I don't know who this is directed at.... most likely me since I brought up the whole cursing issue. But I totally agree with you, dude. I was just saying that I like the fact they don't curse.

[lifehouseguy]

yes good charlotte openlyt claims to be chriustian i have seen them live twice and they have stopped to talka bout god both times

[ChrisPeeper]

Benji has a bad mouth.

[lifehouseguy]

i said they claim,not they act it

[ChrisPeeper]

Good Charlotte is really cool. I hung out w/ them for 45 minutes before a show at the Rock Hall. It was awesome, it was just me and them. Benji cussed once ("Don't say f*** or s*** on camera"). But thats about it. They are really funny and they like the Beastie Boys. Beastie Boys are awesome.

[Avalanche 126]

they rock, they r clean in the album and have alotta energy. im surprised, when i first saw their cd i thought it should have a parental adv. on bc it looked like another rob zombie thingy but it wasnt. it as better!!!!!

[lifehouseguy]

how does good charlotte look liek rob zombie

[Scott]

because he is decomposing? lol

[shineN]

in the liner notes of the good charlotte cd, both the lead singer and his twin brother thank jesus thier savior... and the drummer thanks god...

I think linkin' park is pretty cool, and there's no swearing on hybrid theory!

[timberwolf_s]

wow, been listening to them for a while. i never knew that. a few of their songs that i have have a few lyrics that aren't exactly christian, and i've read a few interviews and articles and about them, and i never thought they called themselves christians.

when i wrote my post, mtv was on in my house (i hate mtv). p diddy (i hate p diddy) was on some interview talking about his new cd. right at the end, he thanked god and jesus christ for blesing him and his music, then they went to that bad boy video. the first words are "i'm the definition of half man half drugs." he talks about some really ungodly stuff and uses horrible language. i almost gagged. then i almost cried. that's kinda where i was coming from on my last post.

[ChrisPeeper]

Good Charlotte is on Not Another Teen Movie. They play at the end of the movie at the dance. They mostly show Joel (lead singing twin), but they have a lot of shots of them playing and singing. All covers though, like oldies stuff.

[sheep]

this song really hit me hard... ya'll hear any cool messages in it?

[Scott]

apart from "SMASH THE CD PLAYER, NO WAIT, JUST THE CD" nope. ;)

[Switchfeets]

haha, someone likes Linkin Park!

[Underhill]

I love the song, but I didn't really get any messeges out of it

[froggee501]

That song rocks!

are YOU hearing any messages?

The real question is though, why are?

[ristmo]

I like the song, heard it on the airplane, but what's the meaning supposed to be?

[jmlouie]

I thought that the message of the song was two part... make the best of the time you have and that no matter how hard you try things will not work out.

But you know I like to put a Christian spin on the interpretation that you can never do things on your own. You have to rely on God. So...

"I've put my trust in you
Pushed as far as I can go
And for all this
There's only one thing you should know
I tried so hard
And got so far
But in the end
It doesn't even matter
I had to fall
To lose it all
But in the end
It doesn't even matter"

Unless you put your faith and trust in God.

[Zooropa]

Originally posted by Scott
apart from "SMASH THE CD PLAYER, NO WAIT, JUST THE CD" nope. ;)

Agreed :klol: . It's obviously a simple breakup song about a guy/girl giving their all for their significant other but being screwed over anyway. And they're basically saying "screw you, I deserve someone better." This song furthers my aggrivation and increases my wish that rock radio would stop playing Linkin Park.

[ristmo]

But you know I like to put a Christian spin on the interpretation that you can never do things on your own. You have to rely on God. So...


That's what I was doing too(and the song fit perfectly).

[Underhill]

have any of you heard any of the new Linkin Park stuff yet? the new mix of Points of Authority is already getting air time, and the High Voltage remix is great. you can download them from: lp.robengel.com/linkinpark600x800.htm

[Laceratus]

Sweetness! I'll have to check it out.....

["BrooksB"]

I can't stand linkin park;)

[outlawnemesis]

Any band that remixes their songs (aka Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park) are only milking money and are pathetic.

:kstare:

[Underhill]

Originally posted by outlawnemesis
Any band that remixes their songs (aka Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park) are only milking money and are pathetic.

:kstare: did you listen to the songs?? they sound great!


Originally posted by BrooksieBoy
I can't stand linkin parkwhat's the title of the thread???

["BrooksB"]

Originally posted by Underhill
what's the title of the thread???

um... i forgot-- refresh me please...:cool:

[Scott]

It's not your place to say that no one can criticise THAT band here, so I'm going to edit the title. Mock away.

[timberwolf_s]

thanks scott, was waiting for a title change:D
they don't write anything, music lyrics, blah blah blah, (except crawling they wrote) because they suck.
they have a talented dj.

[Jared]

Originally posted by timberwolf_s
thanks scott, was waiting for a title change:D
they don't write anything, music lyrics, blah blah blah, (except crawling they wrote) because they suck.
they have a talented dj.

Umm.... I'm not sure which Linkin Park you're talking about, cuz LP writes all their music and lyrics. I'm not claiming that they're a great band, but get your facts straight before you post pal.

[Underhill]

Originally posted by Jaredcamel66


Umm.... I'm not sure which Linkin Park you're talking about, cuz LP writes all their music and lyrics.thank you

[Jared]

No prob, Underhill.
By the way, LINKIN PARK IS PROBABLY THE ONLY GOOD "NU-METAL" band. There is an abundance of crap out there in the numetal field, but LP rocks my face off.

[Jared]

Originally posted by outlawnemesis
Any band that remixes their songs (aka Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park) are only milking money and are pathetic.

:kstare:

If Dream Theater remixed one of their songs would they be money-hungry pathetic sellouts?
THe LP remixes are not for sale on the general market, so could it possibly be that the band just decided to remix the songs for the sake of renovating them?
Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones- all artists who are well known for playing their songs in a completely different format because they wanted to artistically renovate them.
Are they pathetic money milkers? I think not.

[Underhill]

Originally posted by Jaredcamel66

THe LP remixes are not for sale on the general marketthey will be july 30th

[Jared]

I recant.
(*Jared takes his right foot, shoves it violently into his mouth, and sits smugly in shame.)

[Scott]

Sorry to burst your bubble boys, but Linkin Park employ a songwriter.

You may see band members names on the songwriting credits, but this is only due to the deal that most songwriters get with pop stars trying to appear credible, in which the stars exchange some of the writing credit for using the song.

And I do know about this stuff, I'm not just making it up, I study the music industry as part of my course at college.

[Jared]

All of their songs (on the Hybrid Theory) were written pre-record deal when they were still undiscovered, poor musicians. Where'd they get the money to employ a songwriter, my friend Scott?

[Scott]

The deal is that they work with a songwriter, who doesn't get paid anything. Any money he makes is from the royalties the band makes.

It's a common way for songwriters to make sure their music gets played by the up and coming bands, by giving them material before they hit the big time, therefore having to give up less of the royalties. It's a risk, but if it pays off....

[Avalanche 126]

if my memory holds correct, they DO write everything they play. and on their reamination cd coming up, they have, from what ive understood in articles WITH interviews from mike shenoda and the dj, they have rewritten all of the songs in one way or another and r including some old songs from when they were called Hybrid Theory.
and anyways its just somethin to hold the fans over until they release a new album b/c of the fact they have toured nonstop since the hybrid theory release, they havent had a lot of time to get into a studio and write all new stuff. this isnt like they sold out, because that was only their first album. most sensible bands(i.e. limp bizkit) have had ppl leave and could not duplicate their sound into a nother chart topping album, hence a remix album with all published stuff with maybe a different beat here or there.

[Underhill]

Originally posted by Avalanche 126
if my memory holds correct, they DO write everything they play. and on their reamination cd coming up, they have, from what ive understood in articles WITH interviews from mike shenoda and the dj, they have rewritten all of the songs in one way or another and r including some old songs from when they were called Hybrid Theory.
and anyways its just somethin to hold the fans over until they release a new album b/c of the fact they have toured nonstop since the hybrid theory release, they havent had a lot of time to get into a studio and write all new stuff. this isnt like they sold out, because that was only their first album. most sensible bands(i.e. limp bizkit) have had ppl leave and could not duplicate their sound into a nother chart topping album, hence a remix album with all published stuff with maybe a different beat here or there. that's correct

[Jared]

In the CD jacket, Mike and Chester are given all the songwriting credits. I have a pre-release version of the CD that I got since I started following the band in 1997. The songs are a bit different, in a different order, a little rough, with a few minor lyrical changes. It also includes High Voltage and My December. Whatever. Show me where you get your articles from Scott, and I shall believe you. All I know is what LP puts in their CD jackets.

[Scott]

CD sleeves rarely tell the Gospel truth, and that doesn't even matter, consider what I've told you.

Also, I'm telling you what I've been taught in my music business class, so I don't have any articles, merely the word of people who are actually in the business.

[teb468]

IMO i think LP is one of the better bands out there right now. people may say they suck for whatever reasons they say. maybe its just the way i think because i'm into more of the new, not "NU", music on the scene. i've never really been in to the older heavy metal bands. but honestly, who really cares who writes their songs? i personally don't as long as it sounds good. besides, lyrics are only good if the music that goes with it is good. LP is good at mixing them both together.

[Jared]

On the contrary, I CARE whether the band writes their lyrics or not, as do countless other music lovers. It completely degrades the quality of music and the amount of respect a band can command when their songs are written by someone else. One of my guilty pleasures is Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On," but I could never respect her- simply because she is not an honest musician (to me). She has no credibility as a musician, but rather as a skinny French lady who happens to have a pleasing voice.

But, yes, Linkin Park is one of the better bands out there (in the MTV world). There are faaaaaaaar better bands though, just below the MTV radar.

[timberwolf_s]

i heard about lp employing a songwriter from some credible people... but i guess i will have to wait and see.

but honestly, who really cares who writes their songs? i personally don't as long as it sounds good.
ex. 1 - the difference between a music lover and a casual music fan.

[outlawnemesis]

Originally posted by Jaredcamel66
If Dream Theater remixed one of their songs would they be money-hungry pathetic sellouts?If they released a whole album full of remixed songs for the general public, yes.

THe LP remixes are not for sale on the general market, so could it possibly be that the band just decided to remix the songs for the sake of renovating them?They will be on sale.

Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones- all artists who are well known for playing their songs in a completely different format because they wanted to artistically renovate them.
Are they pathetic money milkers? I think not. There's a difference between renovating a song or two, especially live, and releasing an album of the same stuff 'remixed'.

[Underhill]

if you would just listen to the stuff, it's actually a lot different (with some different songs too)

[Jared]

Underhill, they shall never listen. No matter what Linkin Park does, they will never be regarded as creative by Scott, Travis, or Outlawnemesis. I admire your efforts to change the mind of the lost, but it is all in vain.

[outlawnemesis]

Originally posted by Jaredcamel66
Underhill, they shall never listen. No matter what Linkin Park does, they will never be regarded as creative by Scott, Travis, or Outlawnemesis. I admire your efforts to change the mind of the lost, but it is all in vain. :rolleyes:

:klol:

I'll have you know I used to be a Linkin Park fan. That is, until my eyes were opened.

[Underhill]

you people all suck (xept jared)

[Jared]

Now, now, dearest Underhill. These people do not suck- they are just not enlightened.

And pray tell, Outlawnemesis, what opened your eyes to the sellout substandard crappiness of the band we know as Linkin Park? I would have never thought that such a Dream Theater type person as you would lend an ear to LP for even one second.

[Jared]

And Underhill, that's what you get for starting a thread called "If You Don't Like Linkin Park, Stay Out." That title will inevitably draw every person on the boards who hates LP with seething passion into your thread.

[outlawnemesis]

Originally posted by Underhill
you people all suck (xept jared) Well now, isn't this statement just oozing with maturity :rolleyes:

And pray tell, Outlawnemesis, what opened your eyes to the sellout substandard crappiness of the band we know as Linkin Park? I would have never thought that such a Dream Theater type person as you would lend an ear to LP for even one second.I was a fan when I didn't play guitar. As a matter of fact, I was a fan of most of the nu-metal bands, but there was something lacking. Even when all I listened to was Michael W. Smith and Amy Grant (thank you parents :rolleyes:), I knew I was missing out on some better music. When I picked up a guitar and could play any Nirvana song, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, etc etc etc within a week of playing, I knew something was wrong. I had seen Metallica's I Disappear video on MTV, and heard ther Enter Sandman song, but even those weren't what I was looking for, although they were a major step up from the former bands. Then, on the Tabcrawler forums, someone came into a discussion Metallica vs. Blink 182 and stuck Blink 182 in the dust, and said 'forget Metallica's new stuff, go old'. So I did. I wanted a challenge; those songs blew me away. Even though I listened to Metallica, I still listened to the occasional Linkin Park because even Metallica wasn't enough (they are IMO at somewhere near the bottom of the really good music). Enter the Metallica message boards, where I'm introduced to countless bands.

Heck, I just got back from Sam Ash, and there was a guy playing Nirvana, Creed, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, SOAD, etc etc etc. Riff after riff, and I couldn't take it any more. There were even times he'd stop and think what to play next. Then my little brother came up and watched him, and he started fingertapping (ugh, I can't stand show-offs, especially when they aren't that good...) so I picked up a Vai model, plugged into the amp next to him and ripped Metallica's Seek & Destroy solo. Download it if you haven't heard it.

So, all that ranting and pointless babble aside, Linkin Park was something to fill my musical needs, and it wasn't enough. I eventually found the other bands after longs times of searching.

And, not to brag, but I've been taking music lessons for 10+ years now, and I'm the top student out of my guitar teacher's 40+ students, but it's all moot since you obviously know everything. You'd think my opinion on music would count for something...

:rolleyes:

[outlawnemesis]

Originally posted by Jaredcamel66
No matter what Linkin Park does, they will never be regarded as creative by Scott, Travis, or Outlawnemesis. I admire your efforts to change the mind of the lost, but it is all in vain. Alright, let's start this over. Name 3 creative things about Linkin Park.

[Underhill]

Originally posted by outlawnemesis
Well now, isn't this statement just oozing with maturity :rolleyes:
haha yeah

[Jared]

Originally posted by outlawnemesis
And, not to brag, but I've been taking music lessons for 10+ years now, and I'm the top student out of my guitar teacher's 40+ students, but it's all moot since you obviously know everything. You'd think my opinion on music would count for something...

:rolleyes:

Dude, dude! Wait! I wasn't being belligerent. I just found it to be a bit fishy that a Dream THeater fanatic would listen to Linkin Park.

And three creative things about Linkin Park- now that I've been cursed with the knowledge that LP does not write their own songs, I couldn't tell you 3 things. Ignorance is bliss. I'll tell you three things that I would have said if not for Scott's info:
1) They're the only nu-metal band that effectively blends vocals and rap without making 3 minute songs of cliched crap.
2) The seamless mix of original samples and intentionally computerized beatboxes with downtuned guitars, without making it a cheesy 3 minutes of cliched crap.
3) The ability to take the listener on a 10 minute ride in 3 minutes. Unless I had looked at the timer on my CD player, I would have never known that the songs were all 3 minutes. A radio friendly song is rarely 3 minutes of cliched crap.

But now that Linkin Park has been on the scene a while, they have created the cliche for the age. I look at them as the Def Leppard of our generation- from now on everyone will sound like them, use the same instruments as them, dress like them, blah blah blah. Linkin Park will always be regarded as the ultimate numetal band. One day will look at them like we look at the hair metal bands of the 80s now.

And once again, cool down Outlawnemesis.
(by the way- what kind of musical training have you been taking the past 10 years? )

[outlawnemesis]

Originally posted by Jaredcamel66
But now that Linkin Park has been on the scene a while, they have created the cliche for the age. I look at them as the Def Leppard of our generation- from now on everyone will sound like them, use the same instruments as them, dress like them, blah blah blah. Linkin Park will always be regarded as the ultimate numetal band. One day will look at them like we look at the hair metal bands of the 80s now.[/qb]And the difference is, I looked at them as a hair metal band long before anyone will realize this. :D

[qb]And once again, cool down Outlawnemesis.
(by the way- what kind of musical training have you been taking the past 10 years? ) I WILL NOT COOL DOWN!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

j/k :)

I took piano lessons for 9 years, then took guitar lessons for a few months now...My guitar teacher says I'm somewhere like a 4th or 5th year level although I've only been playing for a year. I'm a born musician, that's one of the reasons I have to restrain myself from murdering someone who says Linkin Park is better than X band when they're not (and I know you didn't say that) :(

[Travis]

Originally posted by Jaredcamel66
I look at them as the Def Leppard of our generation- from now on everyone will sound like them, use the same instruments as them, dress like them, blah blah blah. Linkin Park will always be regarded as the ultimate numetal band. One day will look at them like we look at the hair metal bands of the 80s now.The band that started all the 80s hair metal and was constantly copied no matter what they did was Motley Crue.

[Jared]

Travis- Motley Crue did not create the hair metal sound. The whole thing was set off by Def Leppard. Perfect 5 part vocal harmonies, glossed over production, beat machines replacing actual drums (on the records), blah blah blah- all set in motion the hair metal crap. From then on, everyone tried to sound like Def (and wore Union Jack t-shirts).
As for the fashion trends of the hair metal era, technically the New York Dolls started it all. Motley made it incredibly popular. Who knew dressing like the world's scariest women would get you so far in the music industry? Who knew that dressing like women would remain cool for well over 10 years?

[BassGuitar1125]

i didnt know they didnt write their own songs:(
im sad now

[hotdogboy]

Originally posted by Jaredcamel66

1) They're the only nu-metal band that effectively blends vocals and rap without making 3 minute songs of cliched crap.
2) The seamless mix of original samples and intentionally computerized beatboxes with downtuned guitars, without making it a cheesy 3 minutes of cliched crap.
3) The ability to take the listener on a 10 minute ride in 3 minutes. Unless I had looked at the timer on my CD player, I would have never known that the songs were all 3 minutes. A radio friendly song is rarely 3 minutes of cliched crap.

good good... but the problem with your argument is that the term 'cliched crap' is pretty subjective.

somebody might think that linkin park fits the definition of cliched crap. I think bsb, nsync, and all those types are cliched crap. but there are countless others who would disagree. you've gotta use facts, not opinions if you want to impress people.

I actually do like linkin park. but you know. whatever.

[jmlouie]

I don't doubt that LP hired people to refine their songs, but I hardly believe that they had their songs written by someone else. Their bio just does not allow for such a thing to occur. They started off like real band and built themselves up from there.

Linkin Park is GOOD. One should not deny that they make good songs. Musicianship is highly overrated by musicians when it comes to the pop music world. Punk music is a significant genre and I highly doubt that anyone would call that high class musicianship.

I don't think I can name THREE things that they do well. Their guitars and beats are not all that original, nor are their lyrics. They are a basic run of the mill band doing something that is not that drastically different (melding rock with hip-hop with electronic) with ONE EXCEPTION.

They write good catchy songs that meld rap and singing more seamlessly than anyone before them. Now to tell me that that is insignificant, then you are in denial. They worked hard at doing that, and if someone wrote that type of stuff then why are not more bands doing that? Huh... I guess it is because LP wrote their own stuff.

People who think LP is a bad band need to take a step back and see what is really bad about them and that it is not just a matter of taste.

[Adam]

somebody might think that linkin park fits the definition of cliched crap. I think bsb, nsync, and all those types are cliched crap. but there are countless others who would disagree. you've gotta use facts, not opinions if you want to impress people.

If subjective opinion dominates everything, then there is no such thing as fact. Because every time you look at {Fact X}, you get {Opinion X}. Opinions color facts to the point where there is nothing in the fact that speaks for itself nor interprets itself.

[Underhill]

For anyone who cares, they added mp3s of remixes of By Myself, Forgotten, In The End, Pushing Me Away, and With You. (the site is http://lp.robengel.com/linkinpark600x800.htm )

[Scott]

No matter what Linkin Park does, they will never be regarded as creative by Scott, Travis, or Outlawnemesis

Speaking for myself, I've listened to the entire record, and found it to be extremely poorly written and composed. I could pick apart each song for you if you wanted and highlight the cliched music and lyrics. But that doesn't mean I refuse to accept that anything they will ever do could be creative. Merely that everything they have done to this point was substandard pap.

[Travis]

Originally posted by Jaredcamel66
Travis- Motley Crue did not create the hair metal sound. The whole thing was set off by Def Leppard. I'm sorry. I wasn't aware that Def Leppard even existed in 1982-83 when Motley Crue started it all.

["BrooksB"]

Originally posted by Scott
Merely that everything they have done to this point was substandard pap.

is "pap" a word that's supposed to mean "crap" and "pop" in the same word, or just a typo?

[Adam]

Sounds good to me.:)

[Underhill]

Originally posted by BrooksieBoy
is "pap" a word that's supposed to mean "crap" and "pop" in the same word, or just a typo? well Linkin Park isn't "pop" but I do like that word

[Scott]

That probably lost something in the translation. What you said covers it well enough though, Brooksie.

[Underhill]

Originally posted by Scott
That probably lost something in the translation. What you said covers it well enough though, Brooksie. :kconf:

[Scott]

I'm from Scotland (look left), and you guys are mostly from the US. There are lots of words I take for granted people understand, but you lot just look at me with blank faces. Like pap.

[Underhill]

oh

[Travis]

What does "pap" mean btw, Scott?:)

[Scott]

I believe it's roots lie in the lumberjack trade, and it refers to the milky, pulpy mush that gathers on the saw. Useless crap, really.

[Adam]

I believe it's roots lie in the lumberjack trade, and it refers to the milky, pulpy mush that gathers on the saw. Useless crap, really.

I MUST include that word in my vocabulary. How fantabulous!

[Jared]

Scott, the quote about you not regarding Linkin Park as creative was in a joking manner AND before I knew about them using a songwriter. At this moment I find them despicable. I fart in their general direction. Bah.

[Underhill]

I got Linkin Parks new cd Reanimation today its pretty good its more hip-hop than anything else but I liked Hybrid Theory better

[skilar]

I've heard some of the songs on it. I kinda like the remix of forgotten. do they swear in any of the remixes??? Just wonderin. peace

[Underhill]

the answer is no, although 2 bad words are bleeped out of H! Vltg3 (you can tell what he says, but its still bleeped out)

[skilar]

is it true that chester has torn vocal cords?

[Scott]

Lol, and would anyone notice the difference?

[Underhill]

I actually got my dad listening to Linkin Park with this cd (he likes the strings on Krwlng)

[Switchfeets]

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That would go for me too.

Scott said: (Lol, and would anyone notice the difference?)

Verily! Linkin park is definitly not a 'musicians band' such as beauty like radiohead. *sigh*

[Scott]

Lol, I see you've been listening to the Bends from your sig. Great song. I think Thom's voice sounds the best out of any of his work on Street Spirit, the last song.

[Switchfeets]

Ya, so far that's my favorite song. I also ride motorcycles so I like it :) but this is a linkin park so I'll shutup.

[skilar]

Yeah, i got my dad to listen to some heavier stuff than he normally listen to, and he was like, "this is kinda like what i listened to when i was a kid, sweet!" i know that has nothing to do with linkin park, but all my friends got him to listen to linkin park, which was cool!

[Scott]

I pity your parents. ;)

[Switchfeets]

Scott said: ( I pity your parents. )



:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Jared]

I'm with Scott on this one. I am a converted ex-Linkin Parker.

[Switchfeets]

*claps for Jared*

[Jared]

Thank you, thank you. (bows*):kcool:

[skilar]

I just heard "My December" It's pretty soft, but I think it's pretty cool!

[Underhill]

one time I heard My December on the radio. I thought that was really weird cuz that was never a single

[Adam]

I'm with Scott on this one. I am a converted ex-Linkin Parker.

Whoa, whoa....Jared...converted from Linkin Park? I never thought it possible. My congratulations!

[outlawnemesis]

Linkin Park is OK, one or two good songs. I wouldn't waste my money on one of their albums, though...

[OneWithTheMud]

I like Linkin Park and I have their cd Hybrid Theory. In your opinion, should I buy their new cd?

[Shredcheddar]

uh . . . can i say that i dont like linkin park cause theyre horrible? because their singer needs 'work'? or that theyre 'unmusical'? ABSOLUTELY!

[Underhill]

Originally posted by OneWithTheMud
I like Linkin Park and I have their cd Hybrid Theory. In your opinion, should I buy their new cd? I really liked both cds. If Hybrid Theory is Nu-Metal, then Reanimation is like rap or hiphop mostly, but I still would recommend it

[Megan]

Originally posted by Shredcheddar
uh . . . can i say that i dont like linkin park cause theyre horrible? because their singer needs 'work'? or that theyre 'unmusical'? ABSOLUTELY!

hey guys! let's band bash..it's fun! *sarcasm intended*

[outlawnemesis]

Originally posted by Megan
hey guys! let's band bash..it's fun! *sarcasm intended* Aside from the fact that Linkin Park has little to no talent, In The End was a good tune.

[Megan]

....Linkin Park received 3 Grammy nominations and won 1 for 'Best Hard Rock Performance' (Crawling) in 2001 -- no talent, eh?

i'm out.

[Jared]

....Linkin Park received 3 Grammy nominations and won 1 for 'Best Hard Rock Performance' (Crawling) in 2001 -- no talent, eh?
I guess that makes them as equally great as Milli Vanilli and Christina Aguilera, also former grammy winners.

[Adam]

....Linkin Park received 3 Grammy nominations and won 1 for 'Best Hard Rock Performance' (Crawling) in 2001 -- no talent, eh?

You have commited the "Ad Populum" fallacy, which states that because people love X, X must be good. The whims of the people never dictate whether something is good or not. Christianity is not so big in America, but does that mean its false? No.

[outlawnemesis]

Adam, you have committed the "doublus clickus postus" mistake. Next time, only click the 'post' button once.

:kwink: :kgrin:

But Adam's right, popularity means nothing. The grammys (and all the other award shows) are a joke.

[Basszilla]

Originally posted by outlawnemesis
Adam, you have committed the "doublus clickus postus" mistake. Next time, only click the 'post' button once.

:kwink: :kgrin:


If anything needed to be said twice, it was that.

Also, does anyone else think their singer sounds like Geddy Lee?

[rocknbasschick]

:shifty: I didn't think that this message board was a place to trash talk other bands...Just because you don't like their music, doesn't mean it gives you the right to bash them. They obviously have talent if millions of people like their music, including myself. I think you can find better uses for this board than to talk smack about fellow musicians.

[Travis]

Originally posted by rocknbasschick
:shifty: I didn't think that this message board was a place to trash talk other bands...
It's not. It's a place to make comments, observations, hold discussions regarding different topics (this forum being secular music specifically) whether they be positive or negative observations and comments. This is not a board to just praise everything. People have a right to their opinion, even if that opinion is not favorable for something that you like.
Originally posted by rocknbasschick
Just because you don't like their music, doesn't mean it gives you the right to bash them.
It gives them the right to say so and explain why (which you are calling "bashing").
Originally posted by rocknbasschick
They obviously have talent if millions of people like their music, including myself. .
False. As Adam said above, this is the Ad Populum fallacy. People like all sorts of things and it means nothing. Another ad populum fallacy would be: "one billion people believe that Islam is true, therefore it must be true," or "everyone believes that the Earth is flat; it must be true." The former example is true today (there are one billion muslims) and the latter was true at one time (obviously), however both conclusions were totally wrong. Popularity of an idea has no bearing whatsoever as to its truth. Likewise, just because someone likes something does not make it good.
Originally posted by rocknbasschick
I think you can find better uses for this board than to talk smack about fellow musicians
This board DOES have many other uses... you would know this if you had bothered to look in ANY other thread (not to mention forum) on this whole message board.

[Adam]

Adam, you have committed the "doublus clickus postus" mistake. Next time, only click the 'post' button once.

Ah. Forgive me.:)

[xSuspensionx]

Linkin park's new cd is one of the best rap cds ive ever heard.
Unfortunately, i hate all rap.

[outlawnemesis]

Originally posted by The Philosopher
Ah. Forgive me.:) You do know I was joking...:yep:

[Jared]

Originally posted by longforch2
Linkin park's new cd is one of the best rap cds ive ever heard.
Unfortunately, i hate all rap.
Too bad a majority of Project 86's music is rap...

[Underhill]

Originally posted by Jaredcamel66

Too bad a majority of Project 86's music is rap... uhhhh what are you talking about? have you ever listened to Project 86?

[guitarman3]

please don't classify project 86 as rap. possibly rapcore but definetely not rap. i don't particulary like their style but its better than linkin park IMO. i like more of more of the art-rock dream theater/tool stuff.

[.torrin.]

Originally posted by Jaredcamel66

Too bad a majority of Project 86's music is rap...

:keek:

in all my 17 years, i don't think i've heard a statement further from the truth. you WERE talking about linkin park weren't you? P86? rap? HA!

[Switchfeets]

Originally posted by The Philosopher


You have commited the "Ad Populum" fallacy, which states that because people love X, X must be good. The whims of the people never dictate whether something is good or not. Christianity is not so big in America, but does that mean its false? No.

aha! someone who uses his logic studies. That was a great class. btw, why are they called "Linkin Park"?

[Adam]

aha! someone who uses his logic studies. That was a great class.

Yes, indeed! I only wish more of America was exposed to such good education. Did you by any chance happen to take the course developed by Mars Hill? (Jim Nance).

[Underhill]

Originally posted by Switchfeets
btw, why are they called "Linkin Park"? because (as far as I know) the singer passed a place called "Lincoln Park" on his way to work everyday and he thought it sounded cool and then they switched to "Linkin Park" because the domain name was available (I think)

[ste beetle]

ok guys, lets be nice. if you don't like a band's music, then by all means, say so! it's an oppinion topic. but don't bash their music, they mught be some other guys fav. band. pesonally, i think they're music is great.

This board DOES have many other uses... you would know this if you had bothered to look in ANY other thread (not to mention forum) on this whole message board.

couldn't you have thought of a more tactful way to say that? i was totally turned off, and almost signed off the boards b/c of that remark. i thought it was totally rude, and downright mean. so you know what, i'm really not impressed so far...

[Travis]

Originally posted by ste beetle
ok guys, lets be nice. if you don't like a band's music, then by all means, say so! it's an oppinion topic. but don't bash their music
And where do we draw the line between "bashing" and explaining why one doesn't like a band?
Originally posted by ste beetle
couldn't you have thought of a more tactful way to say that? i was totally turned off, and almost signed off the boards b/c of that remark. i thought it was totally rude, and downright mean. so you know what, i'm really not impressed so far... What was so mean about that? There are very few negative comments made about bands on CGR as a whole and if you looked around you wouldn't have made such an inaccurate statement about the the boards here.

[Jared]

ok guys, lets be nice. if you don't like a band's music, then by all means, say so! it's an oppinion topic. but don't bash their music, they mught be some other guys fav. band. pesonally, i think they're music is great.

This is the "Secular Music" board. Here, we discuss bands from a secular standpoint. We converse about topics such as "Artistic Content," "Honest Songwriting," and "Innovation/Originality." If we feel that a band is not an honest, fresh talent, then should we not discuss it? Bah.

couldn't you have thought of a more tactful way to say that? i was totally turned off, and almost signed off the boards b/c of that remark. i thought it was totally rude, and downright mean. so you know what, i'm really not impressed so far...
That wasn't even mean. People are bound to be offended on a secular board. Heck, you're more likely to be offended on the Theology board. Please, don't sign off the boards because people respond to other people in confrontational ways. I know you are confronted (in more violent ways) alot more in your daily life. If you're gonna hang with the CGR's, ya gotta suck it up.

["BrooksB"]

Someone Earlier in the Thread
It is one of the best rap albums

No it's not.

It's an album of remixes, this is what the execs were thinking: "Hey, it sold 5 million once; you think we could sell it again 5 million times??? Let's find out!"

anyways, it's not even an album of good remixes. It's got some good parts (not good entire songs, mind you) but that's pretty much it. I think there's one or two good rappers on there.

I didn't check, but did Felix da Housecat or Paul Oakenfold do anything on it?

[Underhill]

Originally posted by BrooksieBoy
[BI didn't check, but did Felix da Housecat or Paul Oakenfold do anything on it? [/B]haha. the only guests on there that I've heard of were Aaron Lewis, Jonathan Davis, and the X-Ecutioners

[ste beetle]

it's not that i was extremely intimidated by you or anything, it was juts the whole "if you even bothered to look around" thing that bugs me. it's like saying "ok, evidently you weren't smart enough to evn look around before you said anything". ok, yeah, so i'm new, but this board was highly recommended to me, and so far, i can't see what all the fuss is about.

sorry if i offended you by saying you offended me. that wasn't my intention

[Travis]

Originally posted by ste beetle
it's not that i was extremely intimidated by you or anything, it was juts the whole "if you even bothered to look around" thing that bugs me. it's like saying "ok, evidently you weren't smart enough to evn look around before you said anything". Hm, I think you must be reading something in to what I said that was never intended. I specifically said "if you had bothered" not "if you had been smart enough."

[Megan]

Originally posted by Jaredcamel66

This is the "Secular Music" board. Here, we discuss bands from a secular standpoint....



okay...so i guess we don't have to be christians on this forum then? because that explains why people are acting the way they are. all i see here are people quoting one another and dissecting one another's posts. (and yes, i'm aware that i'm doing the same..) get real here guys. let's have a little grace and love for each other here.


People are bound to be offended on a secular board. Heck, you're more likely to be offended on the Theology board. Please, don't sign off the boards because people respond to other people in confrontational ways. I know you are confronted (in more violent ways) alot more in your daily life.

and actually, i personally am not confronted like this in my daily life...and i'm surrounded by more non-christians than christians. i don't think if we were standing in a room having these conversations, people would be wording things quite the same way. but anyway...take this for what it's worth. i'm just "expressing" my own opinion. i'll risk offending someone. God bless you guys.

[Scott]

i'm just "expressing" my own opinion. i'll risk offending someone. God bless you guys.

Then what is your problem?

[Adam]

okay...so i guess we don't have to be christians on this forum then? because that explains why people are acting the way they are. all i see here are people quoting one another and dissecting one another's posts. (and yes, i'm aware that i'm doing the same..) get real here guys. let's have a little grace and love for each other here.

Being Christians on the forum doesn't exclude pointing out faulty logic and absurd comments related to bands and music in general. I don't understand why people here insist that we are bashing the people when in fact we are critiquing the music they listen to and directing them instead toward higher art forms.

If people like you ruled the world, nothing would advance. Nothing. Everything would be the same. There would absolutely no advancement because, according to your standards of "love", no one could change anything. The human race advances when we critique each other ideas and expressions in order to create better ones. Failure to do so results in stagnation and opression.

Freedom of expression is one thing I think we value highly in this forum, and that also includes with it freedom of thought and speech. Of course we are to conduct ourselves in an orderly manner, but this does not exclude the freedom of critique. Thank God that we can converse in a manner that gets the wheels of thought moving.

Besides, who wants a forum where all we say is "Um, yeah, I like them" without giving a reason for why they like them? How pointless is that? One of the ways that minds interact here is through critique. Making people think necessarily involves pain, and progression with it.

[Jared]

okay...so i guess we don't have to be christians on this forum then? because that explains why people are acting the way they are. all i see here are people quoting one another and dissecting one another's posts. (and yes, i'm aware that i'm doing the same..) get real here guys. let's have a little grace and love for each other here.

When did I say we don't have to act like Christians here? Oy vey! I said that we view secular music from a secular standpoint. If you want to view it from a Christian standpoint, then you go over to the stickied thread that deals with that.

Why are we not allowed to dissect posts? Why are we not allowed to experience confrontation? It only produces growth and advancement of ideas. I would hope that people on the boards are mature enough to view peoples opinions and critiques for what they are, and not as personal attacks. If you sign off the boards because you are offended by someone's internet-criticism, you need to grow up.

[Jared]

in all my 17 years, i don't think i've heard a statement further from the truth. you WERE talking about linkin park weren't you? P86? rap? HA!
Well, they just happen to be rapcore, which involves a little word called "RAP ."
I DO happen to listen to a small bit of Christian music too! Contrary to popular belief, there are a few Christian bands that are actually very good! Project 86, The Benjamin Gate, Common Children... I know my stuff! I know what I'm talking about!

[Underhill]

Originally posted by Jaredcamel66

Well, they just happen to be rapcore, which involves a little word called "RAP ."
I DO happen to listen to a small bit of Christian music too! Contrary to popular belief, there are a few Christian bands that are actually very good! Project 86, The Benjamin Gate, Common Children... I know my stuff! I know what I'm talking about! Project 86 aint rap. listen to blindside theyre really good (not rap)

[Switchfeets]

Originally posted by The Philosopher


Yes, indeed! I only wish more of America was exposed to such good education. Did you by any chance happen to take the course developed by Mars Hill? (Jim Nance).

Yep I did! I took it my freshmen year(of highschool :-) ) So it was hard to understand, but the falacies have still stayed with me, I'd like to take it again in college.

[.torrin.]

Originally posted by Jaredcamel66

Well, they just happen to be rapcore, which involves a little word called "RAP ."
I DO happen to listen to a small bit of Christian music too! Contrary to popular belief, there are a few Christian bands that are actually very good! Project 86, The Benjamin Gate, Common Children... I know my stuff! I know what I'm talking about!

they do have rapping tendencies, but i wouldn't call them rapcore. but that's just me. i thought you were just saying they were exclusivly rap and i was like :nope:

[Jeff]

sorry to say, but Linkin Park, POD, and ALL RapRock, and PopRock in general SUCKS THE BIG ONE.

["BrooksB"]

Originally posted by JeffboWilson
sorry to say, but Linkin Park, POD, and ALL RapRock, and PopRock in general SUCKS THE BIG ONE.

:lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol:

that's so awesome!!!

[Jeff]

yeah. interesting note about the coining of the expression "rap core" It was originally slated as " crap core" but it was mispelled and the PR board of the recording company whose idea it was to drop the word realised that Rap core made an even cooler sounding phrase and rushed it through. Its all still Crap Core to me though. . . .

[Travis]

Originally posted by JeffboWilson
yeah. interesting note about the coining of the expression "rap core" It was originally slated as " crap core" but it was mispelled and the PR board of the recording company whose idea it was to drop the word realised that Rap core made an even cooler sounding phrase and rushed it through. Its all still Crap Core to me though. . . . Wow is that true? Yeah, they certainly had the name right the first time...

[cobusvw]

How about Linkin Park anyone? Yes or No. I don't know there music, but I have a friend who listens to them.

[DreamChaser]

Heya,

I love em. Very nice stuff.

[Clayton]

The Rule strikes again....

[Jared]

First of all, this is the secular forum. If you want to discuss the morality of the music or suggest alternatives, go to the stickied thread at the top of the forum. I figured I'd tell ya this before the mods got to ya. For future reference, Clayton, don't even touch the subject of the ethics behind one's music or how it relates to Christianity. It will probably get edited for breaking "The Rule."

And by the way, how can you say Dark Side of the Moon is depressing? That album is contemplative, insane, thoughtful, imaginative, wistful... but never depressing. If Pink Floyd incites people to suicide, then the B-52s' "Love Shack" should be held responsible for the teen sex epidemic. Oy vey.

[Clayton]

Jaredcamel66

sorry i forgot . i guess your right on floyd sorry for that to. well i can't think of anything else i need to get of my cest so later.

[Jared]

Don't sweat it Clayton. You could probably say anything you want in this thread now... all the mods hate LP with the burning passion of 2000 suns.

[Scott]

Yes, but I still check every thread.....

Editing.

[jesusfreak06]

The first time I heard Downfall I thought it was a Linkin Park. Does any one else share my opinion that Trust Company sounds like LINKIN park?

[Sean]

I do not, but when I told my friend I think they are similiar to Tool my friend said he thinks they sound like the Linkin Park formly known has Hybrid Theory. Thinkin about it though, I can completely understand someone making that conclusion. there are some definately similarities.

[Travis]

Originally posted by AtlasShrugs
I do not, but when I told my friend I think they are similiar to Tool [...] No one is even in the same realm as Tool.

[Sean]

I think TRUSTcompany, new Chevelle and Earshot, especially earshot, try to sound like tool. That doesn't mean they come close to matching them by anymeans. Same thing happened a couple years ago when A Perfect Circle came out. Their singer sounds exactly like the guy from TOOL. Luckily they stopped touring when the new tool CD came out. their singer even looks like him just with long hair and smaller breasts.

[Travis]

Originally posted by AtlasShrugs
Same thing happened a couple years ago when A Perfect Circle came out. Their singer sounds exactly like the guy from TOOL. Luckily they stopped touring when the new tool CD came out. their singer even looks like him just with long hair and smaller breasts. :lol: Actually, the lead singer is the same guy- Maynard James Keenan. He wears a wig while singing for APC. :) They had to stop touring so Tool could tour for their new album. ;)

[Sean]

Ya, I know. That was a joke. LIke most of my posts. What I thought was funny was when Guitar World did a feature on A Perfect Circle and they gave Maynard a guitar for the pictures. I have the poster from that issuee on my wall. Its sweet like candy.

[Avalanche 126]

this isnt for APC and Tool!!!!!!!!!! its about LP and TC. TC is nowhere near LP, LP is rap-rock emo and TC is strait up rock emo. they cant be classified in each other, there is too much difference. stop the comparisons of all bands, they are all unique unless they are a cover band of another which i think wont happen!!!!!!!

[Sean]

I know I say a lot of really crazy things on these boards just to get reactions. You must be joking when you call either one of those bands emo. If you aren't, when exactly did the genre get so watered down it refers to everything with any emotion? Which would be just about everything.

[Travis]

Originally posted by AtlasShrugs
Ya, I know. That was a joke. LIke most of my posts. Well that's not really very believable, but I won't make an issue out of it.
Originally posted by AtlasShrugs
What I thought was funny was when Guitar World did a feature on A Perfect Circle and they gave Maynard a guitar for the pictures. Why? Maynard can play a few instruments. Although I'm not sure if he has experience with the guitar or not, I do know that he played the bass for a band in the past.

[Travis]

Originally posted by Avalanche 126
this isnt for APC and Tool!!!!!!!!!! [...]stop the comparisons of all bands, they are all unique unless they are a cover band of another which i think wont happen!!!!!!! Scott, Adam, and I will do the moderating here, thank you.

[Sean]

You - Well that's not really very believable

Me - If I didn't know it ahead of time I wouldn't have mentioned that he looks like him except for the hair and I wouldn't have made reference to Maynards tendancy to dress up on stage.

You - Why?

Me - Its funny to me because they only gave him a guitar for the picture. They put him on the cover of a magazine holding a guitar to promote a band that he doesn't play guitar in. Thats funny to me.

[Travis]

Originally posted by AtlasShrugs
If I didn't know it ahead of time I wouldn't have mentioned that he looks like him except for the hair and I wouldn't have made reference to Maynards tendancy to dress up on stage. Um, and why not?

["BrooksB"]

so when did Linkin Park and Trust Company become labeled as "emo"????? Anyways, I think Trust Company's vocals kinda remind me of LP's vocals. Not a lot, thought.

[MuchAfraid]

you know, i used to love linkin park. now i think they got too commercial and suck now. oh well, thats just my opinion. Tc is muy excelente, however.


dave

[Sean]

You - Um, and why not?

Me - Because nothing brings me more pleasure than reading your goofy responses to the things I write.

[perhaps]

I like Crawling by Linkin Park...that guy MUST lose his voice in concert! The amount of yelling is just insane.

[Sean]

Theres a good number bands out there that do a lot more yelling than linkin park and much throatier screams.

[MuchAfraid]

hahahaha, thats funny. teeeheee.

dave

p.s. downfall could quite be the most innovative videos ever. maybe.

[jesusfreak06]

Speaking of throating singing I'm gonna start a thread in Creed 's forum about Scott Stapp losing his voice.:)

[Travis]

Originally posted by AtlasShrugs
Because nothing brings me more pleasure than reading your goofy responses to the things I write. I’ve had enough of your immaturity, irrelevant and nonsensical statements, hinted insults and attacks, and snide comments to myself and others. Your posts will be edited and cleansed of these elements from here on out.

[Underhill]

I think the guy from TRUSTcompany sounds lke the guy from Linkin Park when he screams, but not for normal singing. And I agree that Earshot is trying to sound like Tool

[Sean]

I'm sorry for my recent behavior and will keep my comments to myself in the future.

[Danny]

Originally posted by Travis
I’ve had enough of your immaturity, irrelevant and nonsensical statements, hinted insults and attacks, and snide comments to myself and others. Your posts will be edited and cleansed of these elements from here on out.
It seems to me that he was just kidding, and did not mean to personally insult you in any way.

[Gouge_Away]

I've seen live stuff from linkin park, and the guy screams about 50% less than he does in the studio.

[Underhill]

Yeah, that's true. I heard an LP show on the radio and there wasn't that much screaming

[superchick13]

Anyone else lke them? I'm listening to My December now!

[Sean]

I enjoy them more than a lot of the stuff on the radio, but I have no desire to own their CD. Actually, I've had someone elses burned copy of their CD for about 9 months. I put it in my CD player once and just skipped to that "one Step Closer" song. Then I took it.

[outlawnemesis]

They're simple ear-candy, something to have on in the background. Certainly not music with substance, but there's much worse out there. Their second album being a 'remix' album destroyed any liking I had for them, if any. :)

[barefooter]

While everyone else was raving about their single <i>One Step Closer</i>, I was listening to the single <i>Pushing Me Away</i>. I liked that one enough (let's just say that the situation described was similar to something going on at the time) that I borrowed a copy of the album from my cousin.

I was severely disappointed. We don't need another rapcore album from a rapcore group, even an emo-rapcore one. It all came off as whiney and every other track was just a rehashing of something else on the album. It became very annoying very fast.

Oh well...I'll go back to listening to Finger Eleven now...

[Nathanael]

I HATE THEM.

(this part is so no one says"Whyexplainyourselfyoucan'tjustsayyouhatesomeone")
To me they represent nu-metal/metal rap and all the turntable garbage that comes with it. Their songs were never very intersting to me.


No offense:D

[Underhill]

I like Linkin Park in that they sound good. Although they are not really talented at all. Or they don't show it, anyway

[Adam]

I merged the previous Linkin Park thread with this one.

[Sean]

Originally posted by barefooter
emo-rapcore

:confused:
Emo-Rapcore?

[Metropolis04]

I don't particularly like Linkin Park, but i think they are brilliant guys who know how to make money.

[outlawnemesis]

What an unrespectful thing to do. I made a post in the Metallica forum, and some of it pertained to the posts there, but bear with me. And the board has crashed, so I'll wait until I can copy & paste it, but it was a bit lengthy and detailed.

But, shame on you guys. Shame on you.

:stare:

[Zooropa]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I'm shocked while at the same time almost in convulsions from laughing so hard. Metallica have compeletely lost their minds.

[outlawnemesis]

Why are Metallica doing this tour? That's the essential question, is it not? There are a few interesting point with this: What the hell is Metallica doing these days? Why the hell would you want to boo Limp Bizkit off stage? And, what the hell is with music these days?

First, Metallica is ceasing to impress me. Actually, they stopped impressing me a while ago. Their first five albums are great, Load is half great, Reload is great, and S&M is great. (I haven't heard Garage Inc.). Now, just to get any steriotypical/misconstrued opinions out of the way, I enjoy music. I didn't say 'all types of music' because to me, music is music. I don't label genres because I listen to everything. Metallica's new material doesn't interest me at all. If they were a new band with no past, most of you probably wouldn't like them. You might, but many of you might not. I know I wouldn't. I always stuck up for them, because they cared about their fans. It was a two-way street. Now they're blowing off their fans - where's the communication? Why don't they care anymore? You can do whatever you want, and I understand that because I'm an aspiring professional musician, but don't turn your back on the people that made you what you are today!

Next, Linkin Park is bad, and Limp Bizkit is terrible. But don't go there to throw stuff at them and boo them off stage; when you sink that low, you are no better than Fred Durst himself. That's just a terrible thing to do. I don't condone Limp Bizkit's stance on life or music, and quite frankly I'd like to punch Durst in the face, but no artist deserves to be treated like that.

What is with music these days? I personally like some things I hear on the Pop radio station, although if there's a better option I won't listen to it. But the mainstream heavy metal scene (which Metallica is in) is severely faltering. Metallica should be leaders; after all, they are (were?) a legend. I don't want them to 'return to their roots' or any of this bull, but all they're doing right now is following in certain nu-metal bands' footsteps. This is not new, this is not creative, this is not original. This is what is called 'selling-out', and I believe not many bands (at least in the realm of Metallica) can be accused of this. After carefully thinking it over and weighing both sides (remember, I was always taking the heat for my favorite band, defending them), yes, they have sold out. Why not be leaders and front a new wave of metal/rock? I don't care what they're playing, but it's boring and unoriginal. Sorry, guys, but you have faded away. You are nothing. You have doomed your career - not like you care about the fans, you're wallowing in money as we speak, but you've got what you want. Hope you're happy.

Just keep in mind that phrase not too many people remember..."Be nice to people on your way up because they'll be there on your way down..."

[Zooropa]

I completely agree. With this news, Metallica fans have no leg to stand on when defending them. You think Metallica actually likes Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park's music? If you do, think again. This is undoubtable proof that they're in it for the money. I now see why Jason Newstead got out when he did.

[Scott]

The swearing was bad enough, but taking God's name in vain? Edited.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Scott
The swearing was bad enough, but taking God's name in vain? Edited.

I was thinking the same thing.


I've kind of expected Metallica to do this sort of thing for a while now.

[RJ1]

yeah i heard about this tonite on the radio..................personally......i think its gonna rock. Metallica would be the best part of it. Of course thats just me.....

[Jared]

i think its gonna rock. Of course thats just me.....
Yup, that's pretty much just you.

[slap_j]

I'd still go to see Metallica. And I don't absolutely hate Linkin Park, but Limp Bizkit sucks.

I wouldn't call Metallica selling out. Selling out is abandoning your priciples for some sort of trade off. Metallica's only priciple was tha they're doing the music for themselves.

I am just a huge Metallica fan so, I really can only think of a few songs I dislike. I'd personally like to see Metallica on tour with Dream Theater. That would be sweet.

[Zooropa]

Originally posted by slap_j
I wouldn't call Metallica selling out. Selling out is abandoning your priciples for some sort of trade off. Metallica's only priciple was tha they're doing the music for themselves.
Not abandoning principles? They're touring with Linkin Park for crying out loud!!! This move is good for Metallica, not rock music. And at the same time they're totally disrespecting their fans. I was telling a friend of mine earlier tonight that the Metallica of the 80's would kick the crap out of the current Metallica if they knew they were touring with Linkin Park and could warp into the future. This is a purely financial move. I think you, as a big Metallica fan, are in denial.

[Nathanael]

I think I never got into Metalica becuase they helped start (and popularize the act itself) the whole anti-piracy movement among the record industry.

:runs and hides from slap_j:

[Sean]

Originally posted by Zooropa
Not abandoning principles? They're touring with Linkin Park for crying out loud!!! This move is good for Metallica, not rock music. And at the same time they're totally disrespecting their fans. I was telling a friend of mine earlier tonight that the Metallica of the 80's would kick the crap out of the current Metallica if they knew they were touring with Linkin Park and could warp into the future. This is a purely financial move. I think you, as a big Metallica fan, are in denial.

When did Metallica set the principles that you are claiming they are abandoning? Prininciples aren't universal. If Metallica was only about making money and getting their music out, then it would go against their principles not to tour with linkin park. But you're probably right when you say Metallica of the 80s would beat up Metallica of today.

[Sean]

Originally posted by JrnymnNate
I think I never got into Metalica becuase they helped start (and popularize the act itself) the whole anti-piracy movement among the record industry.

:runs and hides from slap_j:

Exodus 20: 15. You shall not steal

God seemed to be pretty down on piracy too. Metallica seems more like messangers from God if you ask me.

[benj]

Originally posted by AtlasShrugs
Exodus 20: 15. You shall not steal

God seemed to be pretty down on piracy too. Metallica seems more like messangers from God if you ask me.

Well, it seems like the next logical step would be CCM then. :)

[Sean]

Originally posted by benj
Well, it seems like the next logical step would be CCM then. :)

I was under the impression that they had been a christian band since the Black album.

God that Failed - speaks against false teachings and Christian Science
Nothing Else Matters - a praise song
Unforgiven - speaks about those who are not "saved"
Unforgiven 2 - more about the "unsaved"
Fuel - takes about how hell is eternal
No Leaf Clover - speaks against the Irish
Memory Remains - is about Jesus and what he did for us
Devil's Dance - about how the devil is evil and how the devil dances
Hero of the Day - is about false teachings and has Jesus in the video

[outlawnemesis]

Originally posted by JrnymnNate
I think I never got into Metalica becuase they helped start (and popularize the act itself) the whole anti-piracy movement among the record industry.What a terrible reason not to listen to someone's music. It's like not listening to NiN because Trent isn't a Christian...

[outlawnemesis]

Originally posted by AtlasShrugs
God that Failed - speaks against false teachings and Christian Science
Nothing Else Matters - a praise song
Unforgiven - speaks about those who are not "saved"
Unforgiven 2 - more about the "unsaved"
Fuel - takes about how hell is eternal
No Leaf Clover - speaks against the Irish
Memory Remains - is about Jesus and what he did for us
Devil's Dance - about how the devil is evil and how the devil dances
Hero of the Day - is about false teachings and has Jesus in the video ....

Actually:
God that Failed - speaks against false teachings and Christian Science, since James's mother died for refusing medial treatement believe God would save her, of course James would be compelled to write a song such as this
Nothing Else Matters - a love song
Unforgiven - speaks about James
Unforgiven 2 - more about James
Fuel - takes about safe racing in your illegal street car, second meaning is drug use
No Leaf Clover - speaks against luck, since it doesn't exist
Memory Remains - is about a rock star that's left with bad memories of how they trashed their life
Devil's Dance - about how the devil is evil and how he tries to decieve you
Hero of the Day - is about how families should spend more time together than being all busy for eachother. James's family was like this, unfortunately for him.

[outlawnemesis]

Originally posted by AtlasShrugs
When did Metallica set the principles that you are claiming they are abandoning? Prininciples aren't universal. If Metallica was only about making money and getting their music out, then it would go against their principles not to tour with linkin park. But you're probably right when you say Metallica of the 80s would beat up Metallica of today. Read every single interview and lyrics in their earlier days, and see how they set up principles and abandoned them.

Originally posted by slap_j
I wouldn't call Metallica selling out. Selling out is abandoning your priciples for some sort of trade off. Metallica's only priciple was tha they're doing the music for themselves.

I am just a huge Metallica fan so, I really can only think of a few songs I dislike. I'd personally like to see Metallica on tour with Dream Theater. That would be sweet.Metallica did abandon their principles. Do you honestly think they want to tour with Fred Durst, who has been against them the whole time? This is obviously nothing but a plight for money, and a sad one at that. At least they donate some of their massive wealth to charity foundations, but that's probably just to look good for the crowds.

Metallica would never, ever tour with Dream Theater, although from interviews I know DT would do a tour with Metallica. But it's obvious that Metallica's new direction is crappy, commercial music. What a sad end to such a great band.

[Zooropa]

Originally posted by outlawnemesis
Metallica did abandon their principles. Do you honestly think they want to tour with Fred Durst, who has been against them the whole time? This is obviously nothing but a plight for money, and a sad one at that. At least they donate some of their massive wealth to charity foundations, but that's probably just to look good for the crowds.
My sentiments exactly. Some Metallica fans are going to be in denial about this.

[benj]

Originally posted by AtlasShrugs
I was under the impression that they had been a christian band since the Black album.

God that Failed - speaks against false teachings and Christian Science
Nothing Else Matters - a praise song
Unforgiven - speaks about those who are not "saved"
Unforgiven 2 - more about the "unsaved"
Fuel - takes about how hell is eternal
No Leaf Clover - speaks against the Irish
Memory Remains - is about Jesus and what he did for us
Devil's Dance - about how the devil is evil and how the devil dances
Hero of the Day - is about false teachings and has Jesus in the video

Haha. Well, they are not truly "Christian" until they are CCM. I can't wait for them to cover "Shout to the Lord."

[Nathanael]

... I was just kidding back they're. I'm taking a sabatical, er, retireing from stealing anyway.

Anyhow, back to the topic...

It is sad to see a formerly great band stoop to those levels.

[outlawnemesis]

Originally posted by JrnymnNate
It is sad to see a formerly great band stoop to those levels. Sad indeed.

Metallica in their former days - :kcool: :kyep:

Current Metallica - :knope: ... :kduh:

[outlawnemesis]

Also, I would go to the show just to be able to tell my grandkids that I saw Metallica live, and it's bad enough having to sit through Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park, but Metallica's new material is just as pathetic as the aforementioned two bands! :nope:

[Mrstickball]

Hmm. I was very suprised when I heard this, but then I thought.....

Maybe Metallica just wants to do this to school LB and LP. As we all know, both bands suck......I'm going to wait till Metallicas new CD to really bash them for this tour. Maybe they just want to get the word out to the teeny boppers that like Linkin and Limp Bizkit about some good music, and thats the path they choose to do it in?

FYI, from what I've heard, Deftones and Mudvayne are going to open for them and do the tour as well. If that is true, then it wouldn't be THAT bad.

Also, outlaw, have you listened to Metallicas stuff off thier new album yet?

[slap_j]

Metallica's only priciple that I've ever heard them say is that they are in it for themselves.

So, unless you can show that they don't really want to tour with Limp Bizkit, you cannot say they abandoned their priciples. Sure, it may be for money, but they never said it's all about the music. If it's all about the music, make your records and give them away.

[slap_j]

Originally posted by Mrstickball
Also, outlaw, have you listened to Metallicas stuff off thier new album yet?

The new album is called St. Anger and it supposed to come out in June this year. I'd like to hear some old school thrash on it. Maybe something like Motorbreath or Jump In the Fire.

[Jared]

I don't see how they are abandoning principles unless they are supposed to some anti-corporate political band. As long as they don't forsake the artistic integrity of their music, what does it matter who they tour with?

I, personally, would find such a concert incredibly distasteful and perhaps physically sickening. But most rock bands make money; that's what they aspire to do. Metallica is at the top of their business game, and this is a smart business decision.

Now if they took the stage and launched into some Linkin Park covers, then public crucifixion of James, Kirk, and Lars would be in order.

[Sean]

Originally posted by outlawnemesis
Metallica's new material is just as pathetic as the aforementioned two bands! :nope:

Where have you heard their new matrial? If you have heard something, then you're bassing off a demo, not the final product. If you haven't heard the new stuff then I don't know what you're talking about. They've released 3 new songs since Re-Load and 2 of those were on S&M which you claim to like.



Do you honestly think they want to tour with Fred Durst, who has been against them the whole time?
Maybe they've put the past behind them. The guys in Metallica and Limp Bizkit both have gone through a lot of changes in the past 3 years. Maybe touring together is way of moving past their differences.


Read every single interview and lyrics in their earlier days, and see how they set up principles and abandoned them.
Every single lyric? Every single interview? It should be too difficult for you to site some examples. I'm not saying they don't exist, but I am saying they aren't nearly as prevelent as you claim.

[SenorPapaCabasa]

Just when i think Metallica couldnt do anything worse, they never cease to surprise me.


But its not a shock, the last summer sanitarium tour had korn and kid rock on it, both bands i cant stand. I will probably end up going none the less, ive always told myself i will see metallica one day... i used to be a big fan. Ill probably end up going to dallas as that will be the closest show..... booo

[Underhill]

Originally posted by outlawnemesis
Also, I would go to the show just to be able to tell my grandkids that I saw Metallica live, and it's bad enough having to sit through Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park, but Metallica's new material is just as pathetic as the aforementioned two bands! :nope: Well the Deftones are also on that tour, so it might be worth seeing anyway.

[outlawnemesis]

Metallica has posted several videos of them playing new material. You can even see it in their eyes, they don't have the same passion they had say, back in '90.

[Zooropa]

Originally posted by Underhill
Well the Deftones are also on that tour, so it might be worth seeing anyway.
What??? Noooooooooooo!!! Blast, I was expecting a headlining tour from the Deftones!!! :kmad:

[Avalanche 126]

dude!!!!!! i like metallica, and i can respect linkin park A LOT. but limp bizkit??? man their bizkit went limp a few years ago. they bite!!!! man they need to kick LB, whos gonna play guitar?? fred durst??? kirk hammet???

[Nathanael]

Originally posted by Avalanche 126
i can respect linkin park A LOT.

Why?

[Zooropa]

Originally posted by JrnymnNate
Why?
Yeah, why? What on earth is there to respect about such an irritating band? Furthermore, I find it odd that you like Linkin Park, yet dislike Limp Bizkit. I always assumed that people who liked one liked the other.

[Danny]

Zooropa:
Yeah, why? What on earth is there to respect about such an irritating band? Furthermore, I find it odd that you like Linkin Park, yet dislike Limp Bizkit. I always assumed that people who liked one liked the other.
I can tolerate, and even enjoy Linkin Park, depending on what mood I'm in, but Limp Bizkit annoys me greatly. As for this tour, I'm utterly disgusted. :nope:

[slap_j]

I kinda liked Linkin Park for some reason (not like I like other bands though) and I hate Limp Bizkit. Of course I love Metallica, they're my favorite band.