Tool (merged)

[Travis]

Living legends, the greatest band of all time, period. No band is more artistic for sure, and I think there are none that are more creative. Here are some thoughts on their albums.

Opiate- (EP) Was raw and intense. Just a foretaste of what was to come. "Hush" was their first single and first video, and is a protest of sorts against censorship. "Opiate" takes a stab at blindly following religion (key word= blindly).

Undertow- Amazing album, dark and deep. Contains the singles "Sober" (very popular) and "Prison Sex" (a chilling emotional release inspired by abuse) and accompinied by videos for each, this time directed by guitarist Adam Jones in his, now trademark claymation style. The theme of the album is basically full of reference to floods and drowning.

Ænima- Second greatest album of all time. Singles from here are- "Stinkfist", "H", '46+2", and "Ænema." Videos were releaced for "Stinkfist" and "Ænema."
Between Undertow and Ænima Tool changed bass players and the new one, Justin Chancellor adds a great new taste to the music. The name of the album; Ænima and the name of one of the songs "Ænema", both draw off of the words "Anima" from Carl Jung's psychology which is the female aspect in a male (thought of as a guide) and "enema" (please don't make me explain that). The album name is closer to "Anima" and the song name is closer to "enema." This makes sense, because the song speaks of flushing it all down (the album has an animated image of part of CA falling into the ocean) but it also says "mom please flush it all away." The phrase "learn to swim" is repeated thoughout, and the video (which is amazing) illustrates this same concept quite well.
Anyways, there are pages and pages Ænima on the web, and I do not have time to go into more. It is so indepth and complex that I could literally write a book on it. I will say that it is about evolution and about change. 46+2 illustrates that quite well also.

Salival- This is a DVD/EP. It has their 5 videos that were released to this point and also some cool things on the EP including a new amazing version of "Push!t" (!=i) and a studio cover of Led Zeppelin's "No Quarter." Really awesome, but more for a hardcore fan, not casual wishy-washy people.

Lateralus- This is the greatest album ever made. EVER. You all know about "Schism" and the video, and the video for "Parabola" is in the works. So far the singles are "Schism", "Parabola", and "Lateralus."
Maynard seems to have moved to a new place of optimism and peace with this album illustrated is such lines as: "So crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical" ("Reflection") and "Recognize this as a holy gift and celebrate this chance to be alive and breathing" ("Parabola"). I really don't have time to even scratch the surface of this one, because it is far deeper then even Ænima, but instead I will say; If you have any questions at all about Lateralus, any of the other Tool albums, Tool in general, or anything pertaining to them, that is what this thread is for.

I want to answer questions about Tool here. Not many people know more than me about them, to be honest. So ask away.



http://www.christianguitar.ws/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12468 <---- My Tool collection

[+Donny]

*covers eyes* NOOOOOO, UNREGENERATES!!!! PLAYING MUSIC!!! AAAAHHHHH
;)

[bleachedrhino]

Tool does have a unique, original sound...Which can be very kool at times...I like Stinkfist, Sober has a good sound, and all the songs I've heard from the new Lateralus cd...so...Tool is a great band musically....although some of the lyrics from previous albums are really questionable at times, like on Sober...but they have a great sound... :cool:

[Travis]

What is questionable? "Sober" has nothing to do with Jesus Christ, don't take the words at face value with Tool... ever.

[XxBaTmaNxX]

tool is rad

[Strat_dude]

I'm not a huge fan of tool personally, not really my style, but I do admire some of their stuff, and some of my bands songs have been influenced by them.
The biggest problem I have with Tool is their lyrics (and illustrations). I haven't found anything specifically anti-Christian on Lateralus, but I know there's some on their older albums.
So there's my take on them...


Strat_dude

[bleachedrhino]

so if it has no relation to Jesus Christ...what does this mean:
Jesus won't you f****** whistle
and there's another one about Mother mary I think....tell me what it's talkin about....

[nestamanchris]

I'm personally not a big Tool fan, it's just not my musical style. I have read most of their lyrics online and Maynard is no doubt a talented writer, which is lacking in much of today's music. I also can't deny their musical talent, but they just aren't my cup of tea. If I have any questions, I'll be sure to ask you, Travis, b/c you're definitely the expert around here. Peace.

[bleachedrhino]

yeah.......he is most definitely the expert!
I think that Tool has very "deep" lyrics as well....:cool:

[studentofGod]

Wow, we have a resident expert on Tool! :D Forget being a fan of Tool. I'm a fan of Travis! Hey, Travis, do you actually know more about the band and stuff then the members themselves? I wouldn't doubt it! :)


Yup, summer job: Tool Roadie

[Travis]

Originally posted by bleachedrhino
so if it has no relation to Jesus Christ...what does this mean:
Jesus won't you f****** whistle
and there's another one about Mother mary I think....tell me what it's talkin about....

The line "Jesus won't you ***ing whistle something but the past and done" and "mother mary won't you whisper something but the past and done" seem to be using Christ's name in vain, as emphasis, and not talking about him. Like saying "Christ, won't you just talk about something besides the past." While this is using his name in vain, and wrong, it is not actually speaking against him in any way. The song is about not being sober ("why can't we not be sober") and the way that people are not allowed to use drugs.

[Pick it up!]

not against Him in anyway? using Christ's name in vain IS speaking against Him, and pretty directly too.

[Travis]

No it isn't. It is wrong, yes, but he was not refering to Jesus Christ.

[swim2112]

OOO OOO OOO!!

I have a question :)


When did they become a band??

[Travis]

1990. First EP Opiate was released in '92.

[swim2112]

Where was their first 'gig'?



Where did they get their 'big break'?



Who 'found' them?



Are any of them married/ have kids?



What is your favorite song? :D

[bleachedrhino]

hahaha....Good questions lindsey....you should go into journalism....you're a good interviewer

[Scott]

ooooh, those could be difficult ones.

[Rach]

Yeah and Travis is the guy to ask. He probably even knows their shoe sizes and if they wear boxers or briefs.

(ATTN: that was NOT a question as to what kinda undergarments they wear, DO NOT answer that!)

[Scott]

ooooh, I have a question. What kind of "undergarments" do they wear? ;)

[bleachedrhino]

haha!! Yeah....we're really interested in the band, it seems! ;)

[Travis]

Originally posted by swim2112
Where was their first 'gig'?

'91

Originally posted by swim2112
Where did they get their 'big break'?

The big break was, I suppose, the release of "Sober" as a single.

Originally posted by swim2112
Who 'found' them?

No one really. They were playing gigs with no management and were swamped by record companies. They toured with Rage Against The Machine early on because the guitarist Adam Jones is friends with Rage guitarist Tom Morello (they were in a band together in high school). This surely helped them get exposure as well. Don't forget though, they weren't trying to make it big or anything, they were just messing around. When record companies first started contacting them, they refused, thinking it was silly that they were even asked.

Originally posted by swim2112
Are any of them married/ have kids?

While Tool is extremely private about their personal lives, I know that Adam Jones recently married, and I know that Justin Chancellor is married as well. I believe that Maynard has a fiancé, but I am not sure about Danny Carey.
Maynard is the only member with a child to my knowledge. One son named Devo (don't ask, I have no idea). I am not sure on his age, but I would say 8 or so by now at the very least.

Originally posted by swim2112
What is your favorite song? :D

"Reflection"

Originally posted by servingHim247
Yeah and Travis is the guy to ask. He probably even knows their shoe sizes and if they wear boxers or briefs.
Originally posted by scottyboy
ooooh, I have a question. What kind of "undergarments" do they wear?

Don't know shoe sizes, though Danny Carey's is probably pretty big considering the fact that he is 6'5". As for boxers and briefs, Maynard has been knows to wear either on stage (and nothing else).

[bleachedrhino]

Heloo everyone, I brought you here to meet a friend of mine named Travis...He is a living expert on the band Tool...anyone have a question...:D

[SenorPapaCabasa]

I do like Tool's music, i think its pretty deep and ispirational.

However... i dont love their lyrics either. This is a the lyrics from tools lead singer w/ perfect circle.


"you're such an inspiration for ways that i will never ever choose to be
oh so many ways for me to show you how your savior has abandoned you
f*** your god your lord your christ, he did this took all you had and left you this way
still you pray never stray never taste of the fruit never thought to question why
it's not like you killed someone it's not like you drove a hateful spear into his side
praise the one who left you broken down and paralyzed he did it all for you
oh so many ways for me to show you how your dogma has abandoned you
pray to your christ to your god never taste of the fruit never stray never break never choke on a lie
even though he's the one who did this to you never thought to question why
it's not like you killed someone it's not like you drove a spiteful spear into his side
talk to jesus christ as if he knows the reasons why
he did it all for you he did it all for you"





Sorry to post all that stuff...... but just showing my case.

[Scott]

no, thats perfectly acceptable quoting. well, I think so anyway. Just keep *ing out the bad bits so as not to offend those who would get offended and I wont edit anything.

[Travis]

Originally posted by SenorPapaCabasa
However... i dont love their lyrics either. This is a the lyrics from tools lead singer w/ perfect circle.

Oh, sorry, I wasn't forgot that you have never been angry at God or questioned him. My bad.

Also, why did you quote it? Did you really think I wouldn't know the words?

[nestamanchris]

Dude, he was just stating his opinion on those lyrics. He didn't lay down his interpretation, just an opinion. Your's is that Tool is the greatest band ever, his (and mine) on the other hand is that they're good, but not 'the greatest'.

I imagine he was quoting it so that others could see the lyrics. I know if he had said "I disagree with the lyrics in the song called ____" I wouldn't have known what he was talking about.

Sorry to sound like I'm "coming to his rescue" or something, but I just felt that should be addressed. Peace.

[Travis]

Originally posted by nestamanchris
Dude, he was just stating his opinion on those lyrics. He didn't lay down his interpretation, just an opinion.

And I responded to it. So what?

Originally posted by nestamanchris
Your's is that Tool is the greatest band ever, his (and mine) on the other hand is that they're good, but not 'the greatest'.

They aren't the greatest because you and he don't agree with some of the lyrics? I don't see how that has anything to do with it.

Originally posted by nestamanchris
I imagine he was quoting it so that others could see the lyrics. I know if he had said "I disagree with the lyrics in the song called ____" I wouldn't have known what he was talking about.

Perhaps. (That was "Judith" btw...) That is the only one he quoted, you know why? Because the rest of the album has almost nothing that could possibly be construed as offensive at all, but it about healing. Hmmm... he must have just "accidentally" let that part out.

[nestamanchris]

Originally posted by PleasuresPain


They aren't the greatest because you and he don't agree with some of the lyrics? I don't see how that has anything to do with it.

Look, I'm not trying to get into some debate about who's the greatest band, yada yada. My opinion of their greatness or lack there of isn't just about lyrics, whether it's Tool or Perfect Circle or anyone else who's ever written a song (if you look at my earlier post in the thread, I said that Maynard was a talented writer).

What I am saying is that for you they're the greatest band. For me, they aren't. Saying any band is the greatest ever is completely subjective. An assumption like that is 100% opinionated and can't be justified with facts.

[Scott]

exactly, no band can be the best. only your favourite.

[Travis]

Originally posted by nestamanchris
My opinion of their greatness or lack there of isn't just about lyrics

Well that was what the he was talking about. So apparently your post was useless.

[nestamanchris]

Give it a break, brotha. I was just trying to say that it was HIS opinion, and my opinion was similar in that we don't think they're the best, albeit not for the same reasons. We could debate this all day, but it's useless. If you want to continue to pick apart and misconstrue what I'm saying, go ahead. It's subjective opinion vs. subjective opinion, nuff said.

[SenorPapaCabasa]

Well...... i WAS just stating my opinion.... and giving an example to back it up.


Im sorry that EVERY thing i say doesnt please you 100%

Sometimes i get the feeling that im talking to a 5 year old...

[Ali4God]

Now, now boys... don't make me pull this car over...
*Alison*

[Travis]

Originally posted by nestamanchris
Give it a break, brotha.

Um, no how about you give it a break if you want to. This thread is for people with questions about Tool. That was explicitly stated in the beginning post.

Originally posted by nestamanchris
I was just trying to say that it was HIS opinion, and my opinion was similar in that we don't think they're the best, albeit not for the same reasons.

You didn't say that, did you? I am just trying to figure out what you are saying since you seem to have a problem in making sense.

Originally posted by nestamanchris
We could debate this all day, but it's useless.

Then stop posting in my thread.

Originally posted by nestamanchris
If you want to continue to pick apart and misconstrue what I'm saying, go ahead.

Perhaps if you would be more clear and actually make sense I would not misconstrue it.

Originally posted by nestamanchris
It's subjective opinion vs. subjective opinion, nuff said.

Ok, then I don't expect to see you back in here.



Originally posted by SenorPapaCabasa
Well...... i WAS just stating my opinion.... and giving an example to back it up.

This thread is for questions about Tool. If you want to give your opinion I can't stop you, but I will refute it.

Are you upset that I refuted what you said? That is what takes place on a debate board, in case you didn't know.

Originally posted by SenorPapaCabasa
Im sorry that EVERY thing i say doesnt please you 100%

Apology accepted.

Seriously though, I just disagreed with you and you got offended. I could whine about how I am sorry that my opinion didn't please you and crap, but I won't.

Originally posted by SenorPapaCabasa
Sometimes i get the feeling that im talking to a 5 year old...

You should watch how you talk to me. These immature insults only make you look bad.

[Scott]

You should watch how you talk to me

chill man, dont take things too seriously.

[Travis]

chill man, dont take things too seriously.

I don't think that what he said was meant as a joke, but as an insult, and I don't take well to insults.

And to be honest, I am quite tired of SenorPapaCabasa and the way that that he seems to think that his opinion is beyond reproach. While he contridicts someone else, he whines about being contridicted. For another example, look through the old thread about my trip to Phoenix to see Tool. He implies things, or says them blatantly, then becomes indignant when called upon to clarify what he meant or when he is refuted.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by PleasuresPain


I don't think that what he said was meant as a joke, but as an insult, and I don't take well to insults.




It wasnt either one.

And you also said this was a debate board. I dont see any debating here.... you just quote what everyone says and stomp on it.

If you are mad that i dont like Tool..... too bad. I never condricted you, i just stated my opinion and showed you why. Then you turned around and made a smart litte remark... just like on every other post here that you didnt like.

[Scott]

but you getting all annoyed at him wont help. Whats the most annoying thing in the world? Someone you are angry at acting like they don't care. Just don't care about what he says.

[SenorPapaCabasa]

....that was me..... in case you couldnt figure it out :D

[IFearCarnies]

I love Tool. I truly believe that they are one of the greatest bands ever to exist. Maynard does, however, seem to have an extreme hate for Jesus Christ. Their website had (and may still have) an opening page claiming that people should do everything in their power to protect themselves from evil spirits when listening to Tool's music because the music was filled with them. When I listen to my Mer De Noms CD, I have to skip over Judith. I love the music and Maynard's voice is incredible, but I can't take the lyrics. I understand if he was just venting anger or something, but that's not the way to do it. I do love Tool's music, though, and Maynard's lyrics are incredible, for the most part.

Also, PleasuresPain...you seem to be getting really offended really easily. It is okay for people not to like Tool. If it were up to me, everyone would like Tool...but it's not up to me. In all honesty, you are being really childish in this thread. I realize that will upset you, but I don't really care because you need to know the truth.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Unregistered (SenorPapaCabasa)
It wasnt either one.

What was it then?

Originally posted by Unregistered (SenorPapaCabasa)
And you also said this was a debate board. I dont see any debating here.... you just quote what everyone says and stomp on it.

I support what I say, and refute what you say. That is debate.

Originally posted by Unregistered (SenorPapaCabasa)
If you are mad that i dont like Tool..... too bad.

No I'm not. Where did I ever say that?

Originally posted by Unregistered (SenorPapaCabasa)
I never condricted you, i just stated my opinion and showed you why.

It was different than mine, you contridicted me. Mine was different than yours, what I said contridicted you. I wasn't saying that contridicting is bad, I am saying that is what happens here. We both do it, but you whine when you are contridicted.

Originally posted by Unregistered (SenorPapaCabasa)
Then you turned around and made a smart litte remark... just like on every other post here that you didnt like.

So what? I have the right to contridict you. The thread wasn't about "do you like Tool??" or "state your opinion of Tool," t was QUESTIONS about Tool. Where was your question? I didn't see one. You were off topic.

[Travis]

lol, and yes that was me.

[bleachedrhino]

If I may......
First off, this is a CHRISTIAN board...and I don't seem to recall a verse in the Bible that says fight to the bitter end to prove you're right. It says to be humble...which would require accepting others opinions and backing off once in a while.
Second, if this thread is just for questions about tool, and you don't want someone posting comments about tool or something that is not a question about tool, then it might be wise to back down....it only causes others to want to come back and some something better.
Third, one person's fav band is NOT the best...NO matter how hard you try to defend them...it is still a matter of opinion. You cannot force your views on someone else.
Fourth (to those replying to Travis), don't keep backing up your opinions. Refer to the second issue...
Lyrics may be taken in any consideration... it is all in the eye of the beholder...in the same manner as opinions are different, so are our eyes... Accept it..
If you would like a question, then explain what the song Judith is talking about...it might help others to see your pov, but might not....at least then, they might fully see your view.
This board is supposed to be fun to come to...by making it a total debate board, you suck the life out of it...True, we do like to give our opinions on this board (this forum is definitely no exception)...but, I don't know how many come here to argue their point to the ground...but that's just my view.
Finally, since you only want questions about Tool on this thread, don't worry about me makin any more replies....I don't have any more questions....But someone else might...
thankz :cool:

[SenorPapaCabasa]

Your right :D


It would definetly help if i didnt come to this thread again.... sorry if i offended ya travis and that "you are tired of me"..... cya around :D

[Scott]

well done guys, hopefully an amicable solution.

[Travis]

Originally posted by IFearCarnies
I love Tool. I truly believe that they are one of the greatest bands ever to exist. Maynard does, however, seem to have an extreme hate for Jesus Christ.

I disagree, and think that I know more about Tool, to be totally honest.

Originally posted by IFearCarnies
Their website had (and may still have) an opening page claiming that people should do everything in their power to protect themselves from evil spirits when listening to Tool's music because the music was filled with them.

Haha, this was about listening to the new album, yes I have seen this page. You have to understand that anything Tool says should be taken with a grain of salt, they love to mess around and say stuff like this. Trust me, most of what they say is not the way it really is.

Originally posted by IFearCarnies
I understand if he was just venting anger or something, but that's not the way to do it.

Who are you to say this?

Originally posted by IFearCarnies
Also, PleasuresPain...you seem to be getting really offended really easily.

That is a innaccurate interpretation. Do not mistake distain, impatience, vigor, or abrasiveness for me being offeneded or angry.

Originally posted by IFearCarnies
It is okay for people not to like Tool.

Where did I say, or even imply that it is not?

Originally posted by IFearCarnies
In all honesty, you are being really childish in this thread.

No, I am just defending my view. Just because it isn't what you would do doesn't mean it is "childish."

Originally posted by IFearCarnies
I realize that will upset you, but I don't really care because you need to know the truth.

The truth is, your opinion is meaningless to me.


Originally posted by bleachedrhino
First off, this is a CHRISTIAN board...and I don't seem to recall a verse in the Bible that says fight to the bitter end to prove you're right. It says to be humble...which would require accepting others opinions and backing off once in a while.

I have no problem with someone not likeing Tool or saying they are not the best, but I don't like the false accusations of Maynard hating Christ or Tool being evil or whatever. And I will still defend the fact that I think they are the best :)

Originally posted by bleachedrhino
Second, if this thread is just for questions about tool, and you don't want someone posting comments about tool or something that is not a question about tool, then it might be wise to back down....it only causes others to want to come back and some something better.

Backing down from something is not a way out that I will take.

Originally posted by bleachedrhino
Third, one person's fav band is NOT the best...NO matter how hard you try to defend them...it is still a matter of opinion.

True. But one can still back up their opinion :D

Originally posted by bleachedrhino
You cannot force your views on someone else.

When have I ever tried to?

Originally posted by bleachedrhino
it is all in the eye of the beholder...in the same manner as opinions are different, so are our eyes... Accept it..

Opinons are different, but there has been more than just opinion posted.

Originally posted by bleachedrhino
If you would like a question, then explain what the song Judith is talking about...it might help others to see your pov, but might not....at least then, they might fully see your view.

He seems to be angry about how Christianity has led to someone being hurt, and thinks that they are blind to how it has done that.

Originally posted by bleachedrhino
This board is supposed to be fun to come to...by making it a total debate board, you suck the life out of it...True, we do like to give our opinions on this board (this forum is definitely no exception)...but, I don't know how many come here to argue their point to the ground...but that's just my view.

Arguing isn't always bad, and we have GP to not argue. Also, lots of threads on here do not argue either. But I don't see what is so horrible about arguing.

[IFearCarnies]

PleasuresPain, you say that everything that Tool says should be taken with a grain of salt. Maybe that's how you see it, but when someone insults my God in any way, it's not just some little thing. Who am I to say that "Judith" was not the right way for Maynard to vent his anger? I'm no one. I openly admit that. Who are you to say that it's okay for Maynard to say "F*ck your God" as long as it's only him being angry? Last I checked, using God's name in anyway other than to spread His word or worship Him is wrong and offensive to Him. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Now, I hope you'll notice that I did not say that Maynard hates Jesus. I don't know if he does or not. I said that he seems to hate Jesus. You say that much of what he says is just messing around, but why would he even joke like that?
Oh, and I love the fact that my opinion is so meaningless to you, yet you take the time to respond to it. Amazing the way that works.

[IFearCarnies]

Also, about the song "Judith"...I used to love the song. I believed that it was about someone who blindly followed Christianity and ritualistic practices. As I read the lyrics and listened to the song more and more, though, I just couldn't believe that anymore.

[Travis]

Originally posted by IFearCarnies
PleasuresPain, you say that everything that Tool says should be taken with a grain of salt. Maybe that's how you see it, but when someone insults my God in any way, it's not just some little thing.

Ok, thats fine. Be offended, but don't think they are always totally serious.

Originally posted by IFearCarnies
Who am I to say that "Judith" was not the right way for Maynard to vent his anger? I'm no one. I openly admit that. Who are you to say that it's okay for Maynard to say "F*ck your God" as long as it's only him being angry? Last I checked, using God's name in anyway other than to spread His word or worship Him is wrong and offensive to Him. Correct me if I'm wrong.


You are right. But remember Mer de Noms is about healing (that is from Maynard's own mouth) and if you look at the songs they go in a progressive order in the healing process. He is very angry with God in "Judith," thats true, but look at the lyrics to "Thomas" (perhaps an illusion to "Doubting" Thomas...?) a few tracks later in the album.

humbled and helpless learning to pray praying for visions to show me the way
show me the way to forgive you allow me to let it go
allow me to be forgiven and show me the way to let go
illuminate me i'm just praying for you to show me where i'm to begin
hoping to reconnect to you

Originally posted by IFearCarnies
Now, I hope you'll notice that I did not say that Maynard hates Jesus. I don't know if he does or not. I said that he seems to hate Jesus. You say that much of what he says is just messing around, but why would he even joke like that?


No, I said that the thing about spirits and listening to Lateralus was a joke. I'm sure he has been very angry at God, and more accuratly Christianity.

Originally posted by IFearCarnies
Oh, and I love the fact that my opinion is so meaningless to you, yet you take the time to respond to it. Amazing the way that works.

It is meaningless, as in, I am not bothered by what you think, nor do I desire to change what you think. I am just correcting the mistakes in what you say.

[swim2112]

KK... here comes another round...

Do any of them do anything special to 'gear up' for concerts...


What is their prefered soft drink?


Who inspired them... if anyone...


Where are they originally from?


How old are they?


What was their longest tour?

[Travis]

Originally posted by swim2112
Do any of them do anything special to 'gear up' for concerts...

Not sure what you mean.

Originally posted by swim2112
What is their prefered soft drink?

Not sure, but I know that they (except Maynard) drink Heiniken. :) haha

Originally posted by swim2112
Who inspired them... if anyone...

King Crimson, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd

Originally posted by swim2112
Where are they originally from?

Adam, Danny, and Maynard met in LA. Justin if from England.

Originally posted by swim2112
How old are they?

Maynard is 37, Adam is 36, Danny is 40, and Justin is 30. The original bassist who Justin replaced, Paul D'amour, is now 34.

Originally posted by swim2112
What was their longest tour?

2001 US Arena Tour in support of Lateralus

[swim2112]

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Do any of them do anything special to 'gear up' for concerts...
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Not sure what you mean.



**Like do any of them have a strange need to have chocolate before they go on stage?

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Not sure, but I know that they (except Maynard) drink Heiniken. haha


X RATED!!! :rolleyes:



PleasuresPain

**swim2112

"sanity... is for the weak" -Stephen Brown

** "Don't pick on your sister when she's
holding a baseball bat." -Joel, age 10


Love you Travis :)

[swim2112]

OOO How is that for difficult to read :)

[Travis]

They don't need anything before getting on stage to my knowledge :)

Love you too Lin:)

[Ali4God]

T-dawg... you are waaaay hardcore, lol. I get a good laugh seeing all the debates :D
*Alison*

[Travis]

Thanks :) Love ya Ali

[IFearCarnies]

PleasuresPain, I wanna start by thanking you for making the most rational and civil response I've seen you make on this thread.
I do know that Mer De Noms is about healing and that the songs are in a progressive order. I've read that in many interviews with Maynard and it is obvious to anyone who reads the lyrics and understands them. I guess my problem with it was that "Judith" was the only song that people knew from them for a long time. It is still the only song that many people know from them. Those people don't know what the record is about and just know that Maynard sings about hating God and Christianity. I know otherwise, and you know otherwise, but it still leads others astray. When the song first came out, there were people I knew who were like, "Maynard says 'F*ck God,' he's right." That really bothered me. They didn't know the rest of the album and just received that message. See what I'm saying?
I love Tool. I think Maynard is an incredible singer and an amazing vocalist. The entire band writes some of the best, most experimental music I've ever heard. They also do and say some really funny stuff (for those who don't know, listen to the last tracks of any of their full-length albums).
Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Travis]

Originally posted by IFearCarnies
I guess my problem with it was that "Judith" was the only song that people knew from them for a long time. It is still the only song that many people know from them. Those people don't know what the record is about and just know that Maynard sings about hating God and Christianity. I know otherwise, and you know otherwise, but it still leads others astray.

I agree with everything here, except the part about leading others astray. I don't see how it does that?

Originally posted by IFearCarnies
When the song first came out, there were people I knew who were like, "Maynard says 'F*ck God,' he's right."

Well, I am sure they weren't Christians anyhow. Atheists don't hear a Christian song and say "he said Jesus is Lord! He's right!!" then change their minds.


Originally posted by IFearCarnies
That really bothered me. They didn't know the rest of the album and just received that message. See what I'm saying?

Yeah I do.

Originally posted by IFearCarnies
I love Tool. I think Maynard is an incredible singer and an amazing vocalist. The entire band writes some of the best, most experimental music I've ever heard. They also do and say some really funny stuff (for those who don't know, listen to the last tracks of any of their full-length albums).
Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Right on and no problem. Sorry for my abrasivness and inpatience.

[Adam]

Well, Travis has already said pretty much all I was going to say about this band, but I can't help but agree. They are the best, and they should be recognized as such.

There hasn't been another band like them, in terms of depth and philosophical scope, and of course musical scope, for years.

As one person put it (and several others) TOOL RULES.

[Adam]

Also, hear this guys. There is an objective standard to beauty. At the same time it is also subjective.

Every musical standard has a category and a standard that style adheres to. That is, there are certain standards that must be met within a category. So no, it isn't "subjective opinion versus subjective opinion", there is a standard of beauty in each musical category.

It is subjective in the sense that one category might be preffered over the other, but that doesn't mean all beauty is relative.

[Scott]

i disagree, to a point. There is plain awful and ugly things, but subjective opinion comes into play in the range after that. for example, you can like one artist, but hate another, where someone else can hate the artist you like, but love the artist you hate. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, up to a point.

[Adam]

Then what do we disagree on?

[swim2112]

Totally off subject....


I LOVE your avatar :)

[Travis]

yay

[Adam]

Heheh, thanks a lot!

[Scott]

sorry, i don't know what i was trying to get across there. ah well, just put it down to one of my little oddities.

[Adam]

Actually, thank Travis. He made it.:)

[Scott]

a talented chap, no doubt.

[Adam]

Oh yeah, he can do all kinds of things with avatars and pictures.

[codyofthejungle]

i ahve a question for pleasurespain

what is adam jones setp for guitars,to effects,to amps

i've heard him say he uses a dunlop 535q wah,and ibanez flenager and delay,and a boss eq.i've also seen him use a digitech whammy.and ive seen him use rack mounted stuff at 1 point.but when i saw his pedal board,it was humongous(2 big ones put together,i just saw the back,didnt see the front :()i know he uses marchal stacks and recently started usign geizel(sp)amps,any help we be so greatly appreciated.

p.s. could you email your answer to codyofthejungle@yahoo.com

thanks so much

[Scott]

put it on here too, though.

[Travis]

He has Gibson silverburst Les Paul Customs (which were only made from '79 to '81). They stopped making them because people complained that the metallic paint gave it a strange sound, but Adam likes it. There aren't many of these around.

He uses a modified non-master-volume Marshall bass head and Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier. He used a Sunn Beta Lead for the Lateralus recording however. His fav amp is Diezel.

He uses an Ibanez digital delay and flanger, a Boss EQ pedal, and Dunlop 535Q Wah.

Here is a quote from him about how he achieves the huge sound Tool is known for:

"I usually do one pass routed through different amps, or two passes where I'm playing the exact same notes to make a part more powerful. I plug into three different amps at the same time--even when I play live. For what I want, I don't think one amp would do the trick. One amp is for a solid-state sound, one for more of a non-master-volume tone, and the third fills in the bottom with a cardboard crunch. If you used the amps individually, you'd find that one doesn't have much low end, and one doesn't have enough high end. But they're really good together because you're getting three different things at once, and you can hear all of that in the sound. That's why it sounds so big."

[Scott]

wish i had three amps to do that, I'd love a nice marshall with my laney. round off the tone nicely.

[Adam]

That is remarkable. I never knew that was how the Tool sound was made. That's innovation.

[Strat_dude]

Wow, that's awesome! If I ever get three amps... :D

[Adam]

It'll happen someday...:)

[bobthecockroach]

*tries to think of an absurd question just to see if travis will know* :D

hmm.... here's one!

where's the 8th place they stopped on their last tour?

[Travis]

Detroit, MI

[XxBaTmaNxX]

i was looking for the Deftones "white pony" yesterday and couldnt find it so i just got Lateralus it pretty cool i havent listen to it that much yet though

i m gonna go pop it in and clean my room *YIKES*

[Travis]

Originally posted by XxBaTmaNxX
i was looking for the Deftones "white pony" yesterday and couldnt find it

That's too bad, and also rather strange. It's good. :)

Originally posted by XxBaTmaNxX
so i just got Lateralus it pretty cool i havent listen to it that much yet though

It is the best album ever made. Listen to it all at once without stopping while doing nothing else, perferably on headphones with your eyes closed. Trust me, that is the way to appreciate that album.

[Nate]

Ok, Travis... I dunno if anybody asked this yet (not likely).... but do they have a keyboard player?

[Adam]

Ok, Travis... I dunno if anybody asked this yet (not likely).... but do they have a keyboard player?

No. They don't need one any way.:)

It is the best album ever made. Listen to it all at once without stopping while doing nothing else, perferably on headphones with your eyes closed. Trust me, that is the way to appreciate that album.

Exactly! I did it last night (again) and was lost in another world. It's the only CD that has been able to create that kind of experience.

[Nate]

Originally posted by The Philosopher
No.

Really? That's kinda wierd. Most every alternative band has some kind of wierd synth stuff going on in the background.

[Adam]

They've got sound effects, but not a keyboard. And the band doesn't constantly have effects(excepting the guitar, of course) like bands such as Disturbed or Static X.

I think they just use a synth now and then in the beginning to create a certain feel. and texture.

[codyofthejungle]

um,about keyboards.in the studio,a session musician plays keyboard and synth on most of the tracks on lateralus.and on some shows on the last tour that supported lateralus they had a keyboardist,but he was off to the side,so you couldn't see him very well(of course you can hardly see any of the real band members during a show,adam is usually the most visible).and on 2(maybe 3 or 4 actually),but 2 for sure,adam stops playign guitar,and plays this little bitty keyboard thing,(like the keyboard the turntable guy form linkin park uses)anyway.

[Adam]

Really? Reference me to a site so I can see this.

[Travis]

Originally posted by KeyboardFreak
do they have a keyboard player?

No.

Originally posted by codyofthejungle
um,about keyboards.in the studio,a session musician plays keyboard and synth on most of the tracks on lateralus.

False.

Originally posted by codyofthejungle
and on some shows on the last tour that supported lateralus they had a keyboardist

False

[Travis]

codyofthejungle,

Maybe you are thinking of Aloke Dutta, the acoustic tablist? He is a guest musician on Salival and has played with them live before (though I don't believe he has on the Lateralus tour).

[Adam]

Thanks for clarifying this Travis. I knew something had to be wrong there.

[XxBaTmaNxX]

Listen to it all at once without stopping while doing nothing else, perferably on headphones with your eyes closed. Trust me, that is the way to appreciate that album.


that is soooo weird.............before i read that i listened to it that way last night. It is GREAT
im getting the deftones FINALLY next week

thanks
josh

[Travis]

Originally posted by XxBaTmaNxX
that is soooo weird.............before i read that i listened to it that way last night. It is GREAT

:D good for you! You know how to listen to awesome music!

[Adam]

good for you! You know how to listen to awesome music!

Tis true, and the masterful musicianship of Tool deserves nothing less.:)

[codyofthejungle]

Originally posted by PleasuresPain


False

sorry,but your info is flase on this one.i have a tape of the dallas show(about 2 months ago,maybe more)and a keyboardist is on stage.when you are looking towards the stage,he(she?) is on the far right,

[Travis]

Originally posted by codyofthejungle
sorry,but your info is flase on this one.i have a tape of the dallas show(about 2 months ago,maybe more)and a keyboardist is on stage.when you are looking towards the stage,he(she?) is on the far right,

Make me a copy and send it to me, then I will believe you. (email me for my address)

[Travis]

By the way, you are aware that I have read probably 99.99% of all the articles that have ever been published about them and that I saw them live? No keyboardist.

[Scott]

I was listening to schism yesterday, v good. Looks like Lateralus is a required purchase.

[Adam]

Definetly. It is a must-buy.

[Travis]

Originally posted by scottyboy
I was listening to schism yesterday, v good. Looks like Lateralus is a required purchase.

Um, I would say "yes." :D

[Scott]

i knew tool were good, I'm just saying that I'll head down and buy it now, didnt want to buy it blind.

[Travis]

I'm glad you have finally seen the light Scotty. Bless you! :)

[guyskankrye]

I have a question about Tool. I used to love Tool and covered many of their songs. I thought, and still think, that their music is amazing. Very original. Now that I am saved, and am striving to seperate myself from the WORLD, I don't listen to anything that would or could be offensive to God. My question about Tool; how would listen to Tool strengthen my walk with Christ.

Make a Great Day,
Jeremy

[Insane Drummer]

it wouldn't...simple answer

[Travis]

Originally posted by guyskankrye
My question about Tool; how would listen to Tool strengthen my walk with Christ.


They make incredible music. Beautiful music is something that glorifies God in its beauty because he has created us where we can create it.

[Scott]

Whether or not something strengthens our walk in Christ is irrelevant when we are referring to things of the world, although I'm not saying that they can't. What is important is that we acknowledge that it can have a negative effect, and that we are mentally prepared to deal with this. If you are strong enough in your faith to listen to Tool, or whoever, then carry on, but if your faith is wavering, then think about it. But not just with Tool, with anything really. Pointless point I just made there ,but hey.

[Adam]

They make incredible music. Beautiful music is something that glorifies God in its beauty because he has created us where we can create it.

Exactly! This point cannot be stressed enough. What do you say to this, insane drummer? "No it wouldn't," is just a Fundamentalist response. Think about it and try to give a better answer.

Even what the pagans do can attest to the glory of our Creator.

[guyskankrye]

Next question:

If Tool does not, or did not have a keyboardist what is all that noise at the end of Ænima. I think it's Ænima I can't really rember.

Make a Great Day,

Jeremy

[Nate]

Originally posted by The Philosopher
Exactly! This point cannot be stressed enough. What do you say to this, insane drummer? "No it wouldn't," is just a Fundamentalist response. Think about it and try to give a better answer.

I don't think it will strengthen our walk with Christ at all. Then again, I don't think it has to WEAKEN it either. It's kinda one of those "Everything is permissible, not everything is beneficial" things Paul wrote about. It's not gonna make you any less of a Christian to listen to Tool... but then again, it's certainly not gonna make you any more of one either.

Now....as both PleasuresPain and The Philosopher pointed out... it can bring glory to God. But I don't think that it necessarily strengthens our walk with God.

I dunno... tough question... but I think I'm with the drummer here...... and Paul. ;)

[Nate]

Originally posted by guyskankrye
If Tool does not, or did not have a keyboardist what is all that noise at the end of Ænima. I think it's Ænima I can't really rember.


Maybe they used a sampler. Or a studio musician.

Or maybe their guitarist is using a Roland GK-2A with a GR-33... :D

[Travis]

Originally posted by guyskankrye
If Tool does not, or did not have a keyboardist what is all that noise at the end of Ænima. I think it's Ænima I can't really rember.


First of all, Tool has never had a member who was a keyboardist and that is a fact. The members are/have been:

Maynard James Keenan - Vocals
Adam Jones - Guitar
Danny Carey: Drums
Justin Chancellor - Bass

Formerly Paul D'Amour - Bass


Here are the songs where they use keyboards or such:

"Message to Harry Manback"- Ænima- Keyboards by D.B.

"Intermission" - Ænima - Organ by Eban Schletter

"Third Eye" - (last track on)Ænima - Sythesizer by Chris Pittman

Those are the only songs in which I am aware of Tool using keyboards or anything like that. They were not used on Lateralus.

[Adam]

I don't think it will strengthen our walk with Christ at all. Then again, I don't think it has to WEAKEN it either. It's kinda one of those "Everything is permissible, not everything is beneficial" things Paul wrote about. It's not gonna make you any less of a Christian to listen to Tool... but then again, it's certainly not gonna make you any more of one either.

I think we need to clarify what "walking with Christ" really means. Does this mean glorifying God at all times? Does it mean having a personal relationship with Christ? If it means glorifying God at all times, then I think listening to Tool can be glorifying to Him, because you are listening to it through regenerate ears. The same goes with reading. We read literary masterpieces such as Metamorposis (Ovid) The Republic (Plato) and Thus Spoke Zarathustra (Neitchze). These are written from a pagan perspective, but we can glorify God by critiquing their worldviews (as well as Tool's) from a Christian perspective.

Furthermore, we can glean the positive aspects of each work such as the literary genius of Metamorphosis (which glorifies God), the political meaningfulness of The Republic, the witiness and philosophical underpinnings of Thus Spoke Zarathustra, and the beautiful and esthetic complexity of Tool.

This is not some "newfangled" perception adopted by the church in modern times, although modern Christianity today desires to be separate from culture and create its own subculture in the process. St. Augustine adopted the philosophical insights Plato gleaned in ancient times, and created thme to be something beautiful within the context of Christianity. Augustine likened this to the Israelites taking the gold from the pagan Egyptian storehouses and using them to create a temple glorifying to God. In the same way, Thomas Aquinas took the philosophy of Aristotle and made it new in the context of Christianity.

However, if by "walking with Christ" you mean having a personal relationship with Christ, then of course listening to Tool does not apply to this, because having a personal relationship with God is just one aspect of glorifying God.

For example, we can glorify God in everything we do, but grating cheese does not necessarily pertain to a personal relationship.

-Adam

[guyskankrye]

What about God saying "If it's not for me it's against me."

[Travis]

Originally posted by guyskankrye
What about God saying "If it's not for me it's against me."

When did he say that?

I believe it was more like "you are either for me or against me."

Please do not misquote God.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by bleachedrhino
so if it has no relation to Jesus Christ...what does this mean:
Jesus won't you f****** whistle
and there's another one about Mother mary I think....tell me what it's talkin about....


this not to be directed at jesus, it liek when some is being annoying and say"jesus dude, would u shut up",

[Travis]

Yeah I covered that a long time ago when it was asked...

[Scott]

ahhhh, makes you feel like a CGR veteran when things like this happen.

[Adam]

What about God saying "If it's not for me it's against me."

You also need to explain to me what you are talking about. At least attempt to critique my post instead of blurting out a verse that is taken entirely out of context.

[Nate]

Originally posted by The Philosopher
I think we need to clarify what "walking with Christ" really means. Does this mean glorifying God at all times? Does it mean having a personal relationship with Christ?

Personally... I really hate the phrase "Walk with Christ." Come to think of it, I hate just about ALL church "catch phrases." Nevertheless... you saw my point.... read on...

However, if by "walking with Christ" you mean having a personal relationship with Christ, then of course listening to Tool does not apply to this, because having a personal relationship with God is just one aspect of glorifying God.

That's what I think of when I hear "walk with Christ".... so, yeah. I completely agree with your post. :D

[Nate]

Originally posted by PleasuresPain
Please do not misquote God.

Definitely.... that's just asking for trouble.

[Scott]

Hey travis, you'll be delighted to know that the tool cds i ordered finally came through today, so I am now listening to Lateralus for the first time. Aenima is next. And I know you dont write it like that, I can't be bothered getting the symbol.

[Travis]

Awesome man, you are in for something special :)

And come on, that symbol is easy to do. Just hold Alt and press 658 on the keypad really fast. :)

[Scott]

Ænima. There we go. Couldnt remember the number for it. Anyways, listened to both now, definetly prefer Lateralus. The guy in the record shop was shocked that i wanted them.

[Travis]

I perfer Lateralus, but I really love Ænima as well. They were kind of close when Lateralus came out, but the more I listened to it the more I liked it. :)

Why was he shocked? Do people not listen to Tool much over there?

[Scott]

Tool are nobodies over here, it's only music type people that really have even heard of them. They arent really to the taste of most british people, radiohead are more popular here.

[Travis]

Oh, ok. I had no idea. Kind of sad though, since the bass player is from England.
I know that Australians like Tool though. :) Ænima went platinum over there, and Lateralus more than likely did as well.

[Scott]

its probly cos they get no promotion over here though, more than anything else.

[Travis]

They never have really got that much anywhere... probably a little more here though.

[Scott]

well, at least they are getting bigger here.

[Unregistered]

pleasurepain........i just wanted to say that tool is awesome and the only thing that should sway anybody from listening to them is the cursing in the prvious albums......their last album is great though!

[Unregistered]

which do you think is there best cd so far?

[Travis]

Originally posted by Unregistered
the only thing that should sway anybody from listening to them is the cursing in the prvious albums

I don't think that should.

Originally posted by Unregistered
which do you think is there best cd so far?

Lateralus

[Adam]

Scotty, I would like to hear your analysis of both Tool Cd's. I know Travis and I are Tool freaks, but I respect your opinion on music and I am interested in what you have to say about them.

[Scott]

ok, I'll post a more in depth idea of what I think at some point later when I've got more listening in.

Lateralus - one of the best albums I've bought in a while, you can hear the influences of more mellow bands creeping into their work, the anger that they display in other albums isnt allowed to run the show as much, more to be a part of the blend. It seems to me that they have matured as a band with this album, in the same way that Radiohead went from Indie Alt Rock stuff to what they do now, Tool has went from heavy, anger filled rock to a lighter kind of music, still based on the same ideas but more refined. And the lyrics are much better.

Ænima - good album, although not one that I would listen to anytime like I would say OK Computer, Lateralus, Dark Side of The Moon, The Wall etc. Good but not great. Although that has more to do with the style of music for me than anything else.

Well, that turned out more detailed than I expected, I'll put on what songs I like later.

[Travis]

One of my best friends who lives in Korea now and was the lead singer for my band in high school looks just like Maynard in this pic:

[Travis]

A real Tool fan might be able to tell me where that pic is (originally) from :)

[perhaps]

i think Travis is gonna marry Tool :)

"Lisa's gonna marry a carrot!!!
Lisa's gonna marry a carrot!!!"

[codyofthejungle]

i guess I'm not a real tool fan cause i don't know where that pic came from(the one of your friend right?)

[Travis]

Originally posted by codyofthejungle
i guess I'm not a real tool fan cause i don't know where that pic came from(the one of your friend right?)
It is a pic of Maynard, but my friend looks just like Maynard does in that pic.

[Scott]

"Lisa's gonna marry a carrot!!!

"Lisa, are you gonna marry a carrot?" Sherry
"Yes, I'm gonna marry a carrot." Lisa
"She admitted it!" Sherry
"I can't believe I went out with you." Ralph

[Travis]

ROFL I Love that episode :D

[codyofthejungle]

episode of what show

[Travis]

The Simpsons :)

[Adam]

Dangit, Travis! Don't give away the answer so soon! I would have gotten it. It comes from www.maynardjameskeenan.com

I haven't been there in a while, I wonder if the site is up yet.

[Travis]

You rock Adam :D

[Adam]

Thanks! So does Tool.:)

[Scott]

a regular mutual appreciation society goin down here. ;)

[Adam]

Heheh! There ya go.

[codyofthejungle]

i have another tool question.when they play live what does maynard play,and what effects does he use?(i assume that thing is some kind of weird guitar,but it's hard to tell with maynard hiding in the dark).

[Travis]

Originally posted by codyofthejungle
i have another tool question.when they play live what does maynard play,and what effects does he use?
I have never heard of him playing anything at all. I know that he used to play bass in a project called TEXANS though, but I don't think he has ever played anything with Tool.

He does use some vocal effects, however, with songs such as "Stinkfist" or "Eulogy" he has two mics- one distorted and the other normal.
Originally posted by codyofthejungle
(i assume that thing is some kind of weird guitar,but it's hard to tell with maynard hiding in the dark).
Where did you get the idea that he has anything? :confused:

[codyofthejungle]

i have a tape of the dallas lateralus show,and he is playing a guitar liek instrument for the whole entire show.it's about the size of a normal guitar,but it didn't seem to have a head on it.

[Travis]

Eh, I am not sure about this. It is somewhat possible, because I have a poster on my wall that I got out of a Guitar World with Maynard as well as Billy and Troy from APC. Maynard is holding a headless guitar in this picture. I have, however, never heard of him playing anything for Tool or APC whether on a record or live.
When I saw them in concert I didn't see him holding anything save a mic, but granted it was dark.

[Scott]

oh, headless guitars rule, I think I'll get one someday, just to weird people out, I'll play it at church doing praise or something....

[codyofthejungle]

he difinately had some kind of guitar(or instrument atleast)he didn't play like adam(the whole time),every now and then he would do a down stroke or something similar,and he was stepping on pedals.

[Travis]

I would much like a video of that if possible.

[perhaps]

I have a question for you, Travis!
what is your favourite tool and why
(i dunno why i'm asking this)

[Travis]

Originally posted by perhaps
I have a question for you, Travis!
what is your favourite tool and why
(i dunno why i'm asking this)
You mean like actual tool? Um, I don't use them much, too much of a lazy geek, but I had to use a hammer to get some tacks in the wall for my Tool (and other) posters so I will go with hammer. :)

[perhaps]

i knew you were gonna pcik hammer!
but i though youd have a more in depth answer
but this is funnier anyways! =D haha

[Travis]

It is the only tool I own that I actually use :)

[perhaps]

me too!
oh wait...i use pliers sometimes

[Travis]

I do too, but I don't actually own any that I know of. Except maybe in my tool kit that stays in the car.

[perhaps]

you own a tool kit?
ok, you beat me :)

[Galatia]

Hey, Tool won a Grammy for Schism. That is pretty awesomely crazy. Yay for them!

[perhaps]

SPECIAL!
hehe :)

[Travis]

I will never let this thread die.


Here is something interesting, it is page 5 of in the sleeve from Lateralus. Notice anything about the brain?

[nestamanchris]

That's really interesting and cool. It says a certain something we've all come to know and love. I won't completely give it away just so that everyone can see it for themselves without coaching.

[CynicalRepose]

I see it! I thought I was going to have to be an expert on Anatomy or something, but then I saw it! I'm stupid

[XxBaTmaNxX]

that is freakin cool

[Travis]

Update on the whole Grammy thanks thing....

As I said before- Danny and Justin were present- Maynard was the only one not in attendence.

Justin thanked Alex Grey and his mom for "doing his dad."

Danny thanked his "parents for putting up with the cacophony, Bientje, and Satan."

So that guy for that message board wasn't as wrong as I thought, Chris :) Just had the wrong guy.

[codyofthejungle]

wow,i had never noticed that about the brain.but i wonder what it means.hmmmmmmmmm.i wouldnt be surprised if maynard became a christian some day

[Travis]

Originally posted by codyofthejungle
i wouldnt be surprised if maynard became a christian some day
Never be suprised at what God can do. I pray that he will one day.

[codyofthejungle]

Originally posted by Travis

Never be suprised at what God can do. I pray that he will one day.


thats not what i meant,God can save anybody,maynard just seems like he is searching.i pray for him too.

[Travis]

Originally posted by codyofthejungle
thats not what i meant,God can save anybody,maynard just seems like he is searching.i pray for him too. Oh, I know that is what you meant :) cause you said "I wouldnt be suprised." I didn't mean I thought you meant it that way.... yeah
:)

[perhaps]

hahaha that took me soo freakin long to find and it was so blantenly (sp) obvious...:rolleyes: thats me for ya!

[CynicalRepose]

okay...I skimmed over this entire thread, so I hope no one has asked this...


What does Ænima actually mean? Or what is it?

["BrooksB"]

I think that was answered on the first page.

travis: do you know what they meant by that (in the brain)??

[Adam]

I believe that they mean that the brain is god. This is especially evidenced in Timothy Leary's philosophy (as well as countless others), by whom Tool was heavily influenced. Leary essentially said that the brain will eventually evolve towards an immortal state.

["BrooksB"]

that's pretty interesting.

i have a question about tool lyrics (imagine that)... the song Eulogy-- some folks try to tell me it's about Jesus, and I don't think it is.. what is it about??

["BrooksB"]

..... or who is it about, I should say...??

[perhaps]

Originally posted by The Philosopher
I believe that they mean that the brain is god. This is especially evidenced in Timothy Leary's philosophy (as well as countless others), by whom Tool was heavily influenced. Leary essentially said that the brain will eventually evolve towards an immortal state.

:confused:

so, by having "GOD" in the brain..wouldnt that mean that the brain (being their own thoughts or ideas) would be that they are God...like not JUST the brain, but the whole concept of the person and their thoughts?

i dunno:kduh:

[Adam]

so, by having "GOD" in the brain..wouldnt that mean that the brain (being their own thoughts or ideas) would be that they are God...like not JUST the brain, but the whole concept of the person and their thoughts?

Of course. The choice is man or God. They choose man and exalt him as God and therefore the answer to all man's problems.

[perhaps]

ah, i see i see

[Scott]

the song Eulogy-- some folks try to tell me it's about Jesus, and I don't think it is.. what is it about??

i think that this is answered in a thread already, if not this one. I'll go have a looksee for you

[Scott]

http://www.christianguitar.ws/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14629&highlight=eulogy

there you go!

[Travis]

Originally posted by CynicalRepose
What does Ænima actually mean? Or what is it? The Anima is the feminine side of a man (sort of a guide) in Carl Jung's psychology and is mixed with the "Æ" symbol for some unclear reason. That is the name of the album. The song "Ænema" (track 13 on Ænima) is a play on the word "enema" (don't even think about asking me what that is- look it up) which is basically symbolic of cleansing etc. See the reversal? The A in the Æ is extra to the song title and the E is to the album title. This seems to basically link the two ideas together and is that link is demonstrated as well as certain lines from the song:
"Mom's gonna fix it all soon.
Mom's comin' round to put it back the way it ought to be."
"Mom please flush it all away" (mom being symbolic of the sort of female guide)
That is it the concept of this word play in a nutshell.

And Adam, I agree with you on the ideas about "GOD" in the brain and it's connection to Leary's ideas. I believe he actually has a book entitled "Your brain is god" or something like that. Great job of covering that. :)

[Scott]

then that is a rather clever album name, rather better than "Half Hour of Power" or somesuch

[Adam]

And Adam, I agree with you on the ideas about "GOD" in the brain and it's connection to Leary's ideas. I believe he actually has a book entitled "Your brain is god" or something like that. Great job of covering that.

Thank you! Yes, I believe Leary has a book and video entitled "How to Operate Your Mind" or something to that effect.

Thanks for the info on Ænima. Very interesting stuff. Although I disagree with Maynard, I regard him as a great song-writer and poet.

[Travis]

Some still images from the Parabola video (which I have yet to view).

[Travis]

Just saw the video. It is freaking incredible.

[codyofthejungle]

where did you see it?

[Travis]

Originally posted by codyofthejungle
where did you see it? Downloaded it from iMesh.

[Adam]

What new direction do you think Tool will take, given their last album, Lateralus? An interesting and daring question, indeed.

[Travis]

Originally posted by The Philosopher
What new direction do you think Tool will take, given their last album, Lateralus? An interesting and daring question, indeed. Indeed!! I really don't have much of a clue. Who would have expected the change from Ænima to Lateralus? No one really. The next one might not be so drastic, given the fact that Lateralus came almost 5 years after Ænima, but you can bet they will evolve in some way that no one would expect, just as they always do.

[Adam]

Indeed!! I really don't have much of a clue. Who would have expected the change from Ænima to Lateralus? No one really. The next one might not be so drastic, given the fact that Lateralus came almost 5 years after Ænima, but you can bet they will evolve in some way that no one would expect, just as they always do.

I agree, whatever Tool cooks up next is sure to blow us away even more than Lateralus.

[Travis]

Originally posted by The Philosopher
I agree, whatever Tool cooks up next is sure to blow us away even more than Lateralus. And I, of course, certainly share your optimism. :)

[codyofthejungle]

maybe,in trying to be different,they'll put out a pop record

[codyofthejungle]

bubblegum pop

[Scott]

it'd be interesting to hear some of tool's stuff acoustic-style.... that could be cool for a new direction, but that's not gonna happen.

[Adam]

it'd be interesting to hear some of tool's stuff acoustic-style.... that could be cool for a new direction, but that's not gonna happen.

Ah, an interesting thought!

[Hybrid Drummer]

judith
awsome sound
evil song

[Scott]

thats not gonna be popular, hybrid old chap

[Travis]

Originally posted by Hybrid Drummer
judith
awsome sound
evil song Also irrelevant because this thread is about Tool. Visit the A Perfect Circle thread for future comments on the song "Judith" but first I would advise you to take a look at the rules regarding discussion about secular music being right or wrong etc.

[Hybrid Drummer]

Originally posted by Travis
Also irrelevant because this thread is about Tool. Visit the A Perfect Circle thread for future comments on the song "Judith"

woops, sorry Travis my bad




I would advise you to take a look at the rules regarding discussion about secular music being right or wrong etc.
i was just stating my opinion, and i did look at the forum rules and i dont think what i said goes against them

[Hybrid Drummer]

lol and yes the "woops sorry Travis my bad" is mine

[codyofthejungle]

I've often wished that tool would do some kind of an unplugged "greatest hits" album,or something,i also think it might be cool if they would use strings on a few tracks.just my opinion

[codyofthejungle]

i finally downloaded parabola(last week actually)and to tell you the truth,i wasn't as impressed as i thought i would be.schism was better
imho

[Scott]

what you said did go against forum rules, we have prohibited discussion of a band's/song's/album's/whatever's usefulness to a Christian to the stickied thread (at the top). We being the mods. Thanks....

[Hybrid Drummer]

sorry Scott i missed that part
it wont happen again

[Travis]

Originally posted by codyofthejungle
i finally downloaded parabola(last week actually)and to tell you the truth,i wasn't as impressed as i thought i would be.schism was better
imho I loved it personally. Not even that impressed with the ending? :confused:

[codyofthejungle]

yeah,the ending was probably my favorite part,that and the little bobbly faced claymation creature,i don't know,i think i was expecting too much going in to it,i ahd been waiting for it for a few months.it's still the best video i've seen this year(02)

[Adam]

I think you just need to understand that their videos are just different than most out there. It takes some getting used to. IMO, I thought it was a lot better than Schism.

[Travis]

Originally posted by The Philosopher
I thought it was a lot better than Schism. I liked it better as well.

[codyofthejungle]

Originally posted by The Philosopher
I thought it was a lot better than Schism.

well,buddy,you're wrong

[codyofthejungle]

no,i'm just jokin:)btu i do like schism better:lol:

[Scott]

Don't worry about it hybrid.

[Ali4God]

I just bought Lateralus yesterday :) (Yeah, I know... finally right? ;) )
*Alison*

[Adam]

I just bought Lateralus yesterday (Yeah, I know... finally right? )

Ah! It is a day of great praise and thanks!!

[Zooropa]

Some Tool tour dates for this summer were just announced. They are as follows:

7/11 - Bakersfield, CA @ Centennial Garden
7/12 - Oakland, CA @ Oakland Coliseum
7/13 - Sacramento, CA @ ARCO Arena
7/15 - Inglewood, CA @ The Forum
7/17 - El Paso, TX @ The Coliseum
7/18 - Tucson, AZ @ Tucson Convention Center
7/19 - Las Vegas, NV @ Thomas & Mack Center
7/20 - West Valley City, UT @ E Center
7/21 - Denver, CO @ Pepsi Center

[Ali4God]

Originally posted by Zooropa
7/15 - Inglewood, CA @ The Forum

InglewOOd! Represent! Hehe, that's be cool if I could go see them... "The Wood" is pretty close to me, lol.
*Alison*

[Adam]

Alison, did you like Lateralus?;)

[Travis]

Originally posted by Ali4God
InglewOOd! Represent! Hehe, that's be cool if I could go see them... "The Wood" is pretty close to me, lol.
*Alison* Better get tickets the second they go on sale or you won't have a chance. :) It isn't like it is with lots of other bands with the way you can wait around and get them a few days later. Tool tickets go fast. I would suggest Ticketmaster or something.

[Simon the Just]

Tool stinks!!!!!!

[Simon the Just]

Just kidding, I remember listening to them for the first time when I was in high school(dang, I am an old fart) and just being in complete wonder. Keep up the good work Travis!
Simon

[Ali4God]

Originally posted by The Philosopher
Alison, did you like Lateralus?;)

What do you think?! :D Yes... I did. Its pretty much... well... amazing!

Better get tickets the second they go on sale or you won't have a chance. It isn't like it is with lots of other bands with the way you can wait around and get them a few days later. Tool tickets go fast. I would suggest Ticketmaster or something.

Good looking out... I'll check things out- thanks for the advice! :)
*Alison*

[Ali4God]

Ah poop... I just looked at the schedule again and realized I'll be up north still on July 15th... I come home the 21st. Bummerness.
*Alison*

[Adam]

What do you think?! Yes... I did. Its pretty much... well... amazing!

Awesome! It is truly amazing.

Just kidding, I remember listening to them for the first time when I was in high school(dang, I am an old fart) and just being in complete wonder.

Yeah, "complete wonder" is the term I would use as well.

[Scott]

I hope you'll all be glad to know that Tool is gathering a bit of a fanbase over on these fair shores now. They are playing at the Ozzfest (Ozzy Osbourne's big festival) this year, which I'd love to see, but no money or time, so I can't.

Unfortunately, their new found underground cool means people keep asking to borrow my two albums (Ænima and Lateralus). Grr. I should really stop playing them in college all the time.

[Travis]

Originally posted by Scott
I hope you'll all be glad to know that Tool is gathering a bit of a fanbase over on these fair shores now. They are playing at the Ozzfest (Ozzy Osbourne's big festival) this year, which I'd love to see, but no money or time, so I can't.
Oh awesome. Of course, I missed seeing them the last time they were with Ozzfest and will probably end up missing them again sadly :( I would make the time, but can't make the money ;)
Originally posted by Scott
Unfortunately, their new found underground cool means people keep asking to borrow my two albums (Ænima and Lateralus). Grr. I should really stop playing them in college all the time.
Haha, tell them to go buy them themselves :) At the beginning of last semester some guy came into my room and intoduced himself etc. He noticed my vast amount of cds in racks on the wall and asked to burn some. I let him, but made it very clear that there would be no burning of Tool albums :D

[Adam]

Haha, tell them to go buy them themselves At the beginning of last semester some guy came into my room and intoduced himself etc. He noticed my vast amount of cds in racks on the wall and asked to burn some. I let him, but made it very clear that there would be no burning of Tool albums

LOL!

BTW, I thought you all might enjoy a pic of Maynard recording with Trent Reznor and a couple others at Nothing Studios, working on their project, Tapeworm.

[Adam]

Maynard is on the far left, BTW.

[Scott]

I would make the time, but can't make the money

I could probly make the money, if I pushed my morals to the limit and got a job, but the time thing is the biggest problem, church camps and stuff.

At the beginning of last semester some guy came into my room and intoduced himself etc. He noticed my vast amount of cds in racks on the wall and asked to burn some

I feel your pain, one of the guys I hang about with was waiting on me getting my stuff together and looked in a big folder I have. Twas full of cds (I've given up on keeping them in their cases, keeps them scratch-freeish in a wallet folder) and he immediately asked to burn my radiohead collection (about 10 albums (a couple unofficial etc, and loads of singles). I was disgusted.

[Switchfeets]

I just finally heard Tool, they are a very interesting sound, very different. Don't really like it, but that's my opinion.

[Adam]

I just finally heard Tool, they are a very interesting sound, very different. Don't really like it, but that's my opinion.

Like all good art, it is an aquired taste.

[codyofthejungle]

Originally posted by The Philosopher


Like all good art, it is an aquired taste.


TOLD
by the philosopher

[Switchfeets]

lol true...they sound talented, but a more of catchy tunes guy...no wonder I love switchfoot. As for cussing and such in the lyrics, they're secular, I wouldn't expect anything else from them.

[Scott]

I liked them straight away, mind you the first song I heard was Schism, so that's understandable. Then Stinkfist, at which point i was hooked.

[Adam]

Ah...yes, the days of Stinkfist. I love that song. :)

[codyofthejungle]

schism and stinkfist.my two favorite tool songs,followed by the grudge,and most of the opiate ep

[Adam]

One song that doesn't get enough credit, in my opinion, is Triad. I mean, what a way to end the Lateralus album. It starts off with those sweet tribal drums and very mechanical guitar, then winds down with a guitar riff that is not unlike the throb of a heartbeat. I love it. :)

[Travis]

Originally posted by The Philosopher
One song that doesn't get enough credit, in my opinion, is Triad. I mean, what a way to end the Lateralus album. It starts off with those sweet tribal drums and very mechanical guitar, then winds down with a guitar riff that is not unlike the throb of a heartbeat. I love it. :) That's what I thought; "what a great way to end the album!" This song was also an amazing one in their live show when I saw them. Harnesses on ropes lowered the contortionists and they were hanging upside down, writhing and contorting as the song began to kick in. Once the heaviest part kicked in everything was going full throttle and the Salival man appeared on the two huge screens and began to rotate. The contortionists held their arms out in the posture of the man as Tool and some guest on even more tribal sounding drums continued ripping on "Triad” with Maynard entranced and doing his normal gyrating to the music. Oh dude it was so incredible.

[Adam]

That's what I thought; "what a great way to end the album!" This song was also an amazing one in their live show when I saw them. Harnesses on ropes lowered the contortionists and they were hanging upside down, writhing and contorting as the song began to kick in. Once the heaviest part kicked in everything was going full throttle and the Salival man appeared on the two huge screens and began to rotate. The contortionists held their arms out in the posture of the man as Tool and some guest on even more tribal sounding drums continued ripping on "Triad” with Maynard entranced and doing his normal gyrating to the music. Oh dude it was so incredible.

Man, I would kill to see that!

[Bastion]

The first Tool song I heard was "Schism." I didn't like it at all, but after a while that nightmare bass riff just got stuck in my head. Next I heard "Lateralus." I became addicted to that song, and it is still my favorite. I have the cd, but I haven't listened to many of the other songs. I haven't been able to get past "Schizm," "Lateralus," and "Parabola."

The collective Tool knowledge in this thread amazes me.

[Travis]

Originally posted by Bastion
I have the cd, but I haven't listened to many of the other songs. I haven't been able to get past "Schizm," "Lateralus," and "Parabola." I know how that is, believe it or not. With limited attention spans (blame pop culture, TV etc) it can be hard to get all the way into great albums. This happened to me when I bought The Fragile by Nine Inch Nails. It took me a long time to get all the way into it, but when I did I finally realized how freaking awesome it really is. Try to listen to it all the way dude, you will start to get really into it, I promise. Expand your limits... spiral out...
Originally posted by Bastion
The collective Tool knowledge in this thread amazes me. I have been into them for some time, and I personally don't know anyone who likes them as much as me. Adam may be pretty close though ;)

[Bastion]

Well, I listened to the whole thing this morning. I will probably never write another song, not with a standard like that in the back of my head. I do have a few questions.

1) Does Lateralus have an overall theme? I don't know all of the words (yet) and haven't been able to put my finger on one.
2) If so, are the songs in a progressive order?
3) Do the last two minutes or so of "The Grudge" seem full of allusions to "Schism" to you, too?
4) When did you first become a Tool fan?
5) What was the first Tool song you heard / Tool cd you bought?

[Travis]

Originally posted by Bastion
1) Does Lateralus have an overall theme?
Among the different themes that can be detected thoughout, I personally sense a underlying theme of conquering and progression; of moving though and evolving to a higher level. This was what Ænima was all about, and I think Lateralus is somewhat as well, although it approaches this from a different and overall more positive angle. I think the "Parabola" video illustrates this theme very well as the words from "Lateralus."
Originally posted by Bastion
I don't know all of the words (yet) and haven't been able to put my finger on one.
Go to toolshed.down.net for the lyrics to all Tool's releases.
Originally posted by Bastion
2) If so, are the songs in a progressive order?
Well Adam Jones said that the songs ended up on the album in almost the exact same order as they were written, and I would bet there is some progression to the themes in the lyrics as well.
Originally posted by Bastion
3) Do the last two minutes or so of "The Grudge" seem full of allusions to "Schism" to you, too?
Somewhat, yes. Both songs seem to concentrate on divisions between two people.
Originally posted by Bastion
4) When did you first become a Tool fan?
Not too long after I heard "Sober" on the radio. :) I had just started listening to rock after hearing Alice in Chains and was listening to a local rock station and they played "Sober." This was in '94 I think or at least somewhere around there.
Originally posted by Bastion
5) What was the first Tool song you heard / Tool cd you bought?
"Sober", as I mentioned above was the first song I heard. I went and bought Undertow after hearing it. I bought Ænima the day it came out, as I did with Salival and Lateralus.

[Bastion]

I meant similar musical ideas for Grudge and Schism, but I see what you are saying. Plus I sometimes see similarities in things that are nothing alike.
It just seems that the intro of Grudge is very musically close to the bridge in Schism. The ending of Grudge reminds me of the heavy part after the bridge in Schism at about 5:20.

[Adam]

There are many themes that run throughout Lateralus. Travis has already pointed out one of them, which is progression.

The Grudge and Schism concentrate on the cerebral aspects of lost communication between people (also division, as Travis said).

Reflection plays a huge part in Lateralus as well. It explores the aspect of negative existence. In fact, let us examine this important piece right now.


I find that I can see a light at the end down
Beneath my self-indulgent pitiful hole.
Defeated I Concede and move closer. I may find comfort here
I may find peace within the emptiness. How pitiful.
It's calling me.
It's calling me.
It's calling me.
It's calling me.

And in my darkest moment, fetal and weeping.
The moon tells me a secret. My confidant.
As full and bright as I am, this light is not my own
A million light reflections pass over me
It's source is bright and endless.
She resuscitates the hopeless
Without her we are lifeless satellites dreaming dreams.
And as I pull my head out I am without one doubt
Don't want to be down here feeding my narcissism
I must crucify the ego before it's far too late
I pray the light lifts me out before I pine away.
before I pine away.
before I pine away.
before I pine away.

So crucify the ego before it's far too late
To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical
And you will come to find that we are all one mind
(*)
Just let the light touch you and let the words spill thorough
Just let them pass right through, bringing out our hope and reason.

before I pine away.
before I pine away.
before I pine away.
before I pine away.


The first stanza deals with existence and raw Being. Being is stung with the feeling of angst and meaninglessness. Being is directed toward what is good for itself (thus, the "self-indulgent pitiful hole"). The author is "defeated" by this feeling, but he feels he can find comfort within his own will to power (very Nietzcheian). His feelings are useless, however, as he remarks, "How pitiful." The mystery of his existence is compounded as he hints at something calling him.

This mystery is made known in the midst of his own pitiful existence, his "dark moment". It is a light that is perhaps hinted at in "Parabola", a