System of a Down [Archive] - Christian Guitar Forum

SnapCase

11-28-2001, 01:21 PM

Have any of you heard of this band?? I was on the road back to Knoxville, and when I got to downtown this song "When Angels Deserve to Die" came on. It was an awesome song both musically and vocally. HOwever lyrically it seemed to be a bit of blasphemy.

Does anyone have the lyrics to this song?? Or anything like that!? Any information would be great!

Scott

11-28-2001, 01:24 PM

that song is actually about a girl he used to go out with, who he thought was perfect, but it turns out she really wasnt. so it is less blasphemy and more a really badly written song. good tune though. The song Atwa off of the same album is great though, my band does that one.

Brent

11-28-2001, 02:08 PM

Actually, the song is called "Chop Suey!". Not really any apparent reason it's called that, but anyway. Yeah, I really like that song...musically and vocally as has been said. Very interesting. I'm not sure this thread belongs in GP, but I don't really know where else to put it...

Brent

Phil

11-28-2001, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Brent
I'm not sure this thread belongs in GP, but I don't really know where else to put it...

Brent
I've already asked Mickey for a "secualar music" section... since there have been several threads like this lately...

Scott

11-28-2001, 04:56 PM

i think it's a great idea, i'd use it anyway

XxBaTmaNxX

11-28-2001, 04:58 PM

i got that cd it rawk real good!
i like system of a dow
honestly i was thinking about starting a thread about them here how weird!?:eek: :confused:

Scott

11-28-2001, 05:01 PM

wow. isnt that odd. it is. oh yes. very odd. odd as a number 1 greater than an even number.

timio

11-28-2001, 06:20 PM

or one less...

Ali4God

11-28-2001, 06:27 PM

A secular music section would be a good idea, since there is no where else to talk about it!
*Alison*

SnapCase

11-28-2001, 06:31 PM

So you're all sure they are not being blasphemous?

Scott

11-28-2001, 06:32 PM

or doubled plus 3.

OnEaglesWings

11-28-2001, 06:53 PM

Scott

11-28-2001, 07:04 PM

you'll probably find that was HUMOUR. notice the o.

bleachedrhino

11-28-2001, 08:22 PM

Wake Up,
Grab a brush and put on a little makeup,
hide the scars to fade away the shakeup,
why'd you leave the keys up on the table,
here you go create another fable.
(starts over with "Cuz you wanted to" repeated after each phrase)
chorus: (not really sure, haven't heard in a while)
Trust in my self righteous suicide,
I cry, when angels deserve to die.
*repeats verse*
then goes into a bridge or something:
Father into your hands I commend my spirit, 2X
Father why have you forsaken me,
in your eyes forsaken me,
in your thoughts forsaken me,
in your mind forsaken me.
*chorus* a couple more times.....

that's prolly not exactly right...but ya said you wanted the lyrics....and the band, while maybe not terrible with cussing or stuff like that, is quite strange (especially the guitarist)....
later,
rhino
:cool:

ChrisPeeper

11-28-2001, 09:08 PM

The lead singer is Lebanese or something and the others are from like Finland or Denmark or something. My friend tells me all about them. Also I learned how to play Chop Suey because there is a kid in my math class that says that the stuff I play is too easy and I couldn't handle Chop Suey.... haha that is such an easy song to play. I hate the song except for the acoustic intro (very pretty). I am not really in to hardcore stuff.

paat

11-29-2001, 02:42 PM

the system of a down singer USE to be an opera singer, which is why his voice is able to change so much.

also, yes, they are a blasphemous (sp?) band. obviously so, since the back cover of their self titled album talks about destroying governments and such, which is against God.

In Him,
Pat

SnapCase

11-29-2001, 02:52 PM

the system of a down singer USE to be an opera singer, which is why his voice is able to change so much.

Thats cool! Me and my roommate were discussing that yesterday. We thought he might be.

Scott

11-29-2001, 02:53 PM

revolution is hardly blasphemy. Blasphemy isn't the same as sinning. It is a sin, but all sins arent blasphemy. But anyway, they are all from america. they are arminian american. just for your info. and isnt it great that we've got this forum now. YAY!

Ali4God

11-29-2001, 02:56 PM

That song, "Sugar" (a very S-T-R-A-N-G-E song BTW), that they put out quite a while back is pretty messed up if I do say so myself... something about the lyrics: "my girl ya know she just lashes out on me sometimes then I just ----ing kick her" is disturbing to me...
*Alison*

Ali4God

11-29-2001, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by scottyboy
and isnt it great that we've got this forum now. YAY!

Amen brotha Scotty! :D
*Alison*

elifan86

11-29-2001, 02:57 PM

Yeah the tab/notation/lyrics are in the January 2002 edition of Guitar One magazine.

CynicalRepose

11-30-2001, 10:58 AM

Here are the complete lyrics:

Wake up
Grab a brush and put a little
(makeup)
Grab a brush and put a little
Hide the scars to fade away the
(shakeup)
Hide the scars to fade away the
Why'd you leave the keys upon the
table?
Here you go create another fable
You wanted to
Grab a brush and put a little makeup
You wanted to
Hide the scars to fade away the shakeup
You wanted to
Why'd you leave the keys upon the table?
You wanted to
I don't think you trust
In, my, self righteous suicide
I, cry, when angels deserve to die, DIE
Wake up
Grab a brush and put a little (makeup)
Grab a brush and put a little
Hide the scars to fade away the (shakeup)
Hide the scars to fade away the
Why'd you leave the keys upon the table?
Here you go create another fable
You wanted to
Grab a brush and put a little makeup
You wanted to
Hide the scars to fade away the shakeup
You wanted to
Why'd you leave the keys upon the table?
You wanted to
I don't think you trust
In, my, self righteous suicide
I, cry, when angels deserve to die
In, my, self righteous suicide
I, cry, when angels deserve to die
Father, father, father, father
Father into your hands,
I commend my spirit
Father into your hands
why have you forsaken me
In your eyes forsaken me
In your thoughts forsaken me
In your heart forsaken, me oh
Trust in my self righteous suicide
I, cry, when angels deserve to die
In my self righteous suicide
I, cry, when angels deserve to die

And i read somwhere that the song was about the lead singer's brother, friend, or something commiting suicide. So yeah...

Travis

12-01-2001, 03:07 AM

About System of a Down, according to a Christian revieew I read, the CD that has that song on it says it the liner notes that the band (or one of it's members, I'm not sure) "thanks God, Buddha, Allah and Lucifer because they are all so lovely" and Charles Manson "for his inspiration and honesty." I don't know much about the songs, but I consider that blasphemous.

I think that is a joke or sarcasm. Just being weird I suppose.

Originally posted by paat
also, yes, they are a blasphemous (sp?) band. obviously so, since the back cover of their self titled album talks about destroying governments and such, which is against God.

I think not! Were the founding fathers evil in what hey did?

I really like System of a Down. Toxicity is such a great album. Love it. :)

XxBaTmaNxX

12-01-2001, 09:49 PM

yes i love toxicity
i just got their old cd yesterday with sugar

Travis

12-02-2001, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by Ali4God
That song, "Sugar" (a very S-T-R-A-N-G-E song BTW), that they put out quite a while back is pretty messed up if I do say so myself... something about the lyrics: "my girl ya know she just lashes out on me sometimes then I just ----ing kick her" is disturbing to me...

I totally see what you mean Ali, but just remember that just because the lyrics are in 1st person does not mean that the speaker is the lead singer. He could easily be speaking from someone elses P.O.V and be condemning it or something (I need to read the lyrics though).

veggies27

12-02-2001, 09:09 AM

Their stuff is a bit hard for me, but I caught a glimpse of that video on VH1 or something, and it kinda kept my attention. Although it was kinda rough, it was a bit catchy...

bleachedrhino

12-02-2001, 08:15 PM

Talkin about videos and the fact that this band is rather weird.....check out the video for the song Spiders......very strange....
just in case you would like to know....:cool:

Scott

12-03-2001, 01:33 PM

so, fave song from Toxicity (which is far better than Self Titled, their first album) then, all you system loving types? Atwa in my opinion.

Oh, and I agree about the occasionally great morally lyrics, but when they are behaving they are real good.

Jshook84

12-03-2001, 01:54 PM

here are lyrics from their song suite-pee on their first album.

"THE FOLLOWING OF A CHRIST, THE FOLLOWING OF A CHRIST, THE FOLLOWING OF A CHRIST, THE FOLLOWING OF A CHRIST, THE FALLING OF CHRIST, THE FALLING OF CHRIST, THE FALLING OF CHRIST, THE FALLING OF CHRIST."

I dont know how any of you guys could listen to such blasphemous music. This is blatantly music directed against God. Maybe you should make better judgement when choosing your music next time.

bleachedrhino

12-03-2001, 02:59 PM

Chop Suey.......mainly cuz it's weird and funny sounding, and the kool acoustic intro.....and cuz I don't know a lotta other stuff...:cool:

XxBaTmaNxX

12-03-2001, 06:52 PM

i like ARIALS as a slow song on the first album
i cant pick a fave though i can listen from first to last and not get bored

Travis

12-03-2001, 07:30 PM

Chop suey is mine. Science and Toxicity closely follow.

i cant pick a fave though i can listen from first to last and not get bored

That is pathetic and sad. It is just like fourty minutes dude, geez. The erosion of the attention span is the reason why most music is so crappy these days.

XxBaTmaNxX

12-03-2001, 07:42 PM

gosh dang dude sorry
i was just saying i liked all the songs!

bleachedrhino

12-03-2001, 07:49 PM

haha....pleasurespain, most of today's cd's only go 40-45 minutes....and I like all of them......I only have a few long cd's:
Creed: Human Clay
Lifehouse: No Name Face
Project 86: Drawing Black Lines
Bush: Razorblade Suitcase
POD: F.E.o.S and Satellite
I had a Soundgarden cd...but I sold it...
:cool:

Scott

12-04-2001, 12:41 PM

not all of their songs are blasphemous. Just some. Which I don't listen to. And everyone should own The Wall (you should all know who by) if they are looking for a long album.

A-Rok Ric

12-04-2001, 02:45 PM

Hmmm.. yeah, I really don't like "Chop Suey" at all... everytime my roommates have MTV on and that song comes on, we all run to change the channel... seriously, I REALLY REALLY dislike that song... *shrug* but if you like it, oh well!

Travis

12-04-2001, 02:59 PM

haha....pleasurespain, most of today's cd's only go 40-45 minutes....

I have nothing against them. A Perfect Circle - "Mer de Noms" is just 40 or so minutes, but it is awesome. Just saying that it is sad how people can't listen to songs longer than 3 minutes anymore ya know?

bleachedrhino

12-04-2001, 05:58 PM

yeah I know what you mean....but, almost every song that is 5 minutes or more that I know...I like.....:
Staind: Outside (disregarding Fred Durst, the live version)...5:40
Creed has a lot of long songs....
Metallica has a lot of good songs...specifically: One....7 and a half
Puddle of Mudd: Blurry
Silverchair has a few good long songs..
Tool: Schism
and some more good songs, hard to think of them...

Ali4God

12-04-2001, 06:09 PM

The song "Constantine" by Something Corporate is 10 minutes and 34 seconds... I can listen to that song over and over... its sooo good!
*Alison*

Travis

12-04-2001, 06:14 PM

"Third Eye" by Tool is 13 minutes and it is all going somewhere too, unlike many long songs. The live version of "Reflection" was at least 20 minutes long. SO awesome.

bleachedrhino

12-04-2001, 07:10 PM

Wow....that's long! You know...Metallica's And Justice For All cd only has about 8 songs and is still longer than most cd's today...that's kool....:cool:

nestamanchris

12-04-2001, 07:22 PM

First of all, I can't stand Chop Suey. My roommate plays it a good bit on his computer and every time I hear it I cringe/vomit. Just my opinion, but it's not "good music".

As for long songs, there's a song on the Phish live cd 'A Live One' that's 34 minutes long, those guys could jam it out. Dave Matthews has some long stuff, the live version of Two Step is never under 10 minutes and often goes 20. I went to an OAR concert a few weeks ago and they played 'Crazy Game of Poker' for a solid 20 minutes, it was insane. And now my extended rant is over...

bleachedrhino

12-04-2001, 07:44 PM

this may sound lame...but... who is OAR???
I've seen that a couple of times....and I don't know who that is?! ;)

nestamanchris

12-04-2001, 07:52 PM

They're kind of hard to explain but it's sort of white boy semi-acoustic reggae. Umm... They go to Ohio State (I'm sure guyforgod's heard of them). I don't really know how to describe them. The OAR stands for Of A Revolution, which is a little strange, but oh well... They're cool, though.

bleachedrhino

12-04-2001, 08:21 PM

whew!!! I was afraid that it was someone I was supposed to know, which would make me feel really stupid!! Thankz man :cool:

ChrisPeeper

12-04-2001, 08:40 PM

Goodbye Sky Harbor is 16:11 by Jimmy Eat World.

The new weezer album is 25 minutes long.

I feel left out cause I despise just about every band mentioned in this thread, except POD.

bleachedrhino

12-05-2001, 12:16 PM

Was it I that mentioned POD.....or someone else?? Well...I like em....The whole album by weezer is 25 minutes long?!! That's just krazy! :D

IAmCrossEyed

12-05-2001, 12:37 PM

I know that I am about to open a can of worms with this, but here goes anyway...

Do you ever think that because we find a catchy tune or something, we end up really liking an artist, not truly knowing where they stand. I am really not one to talk, because I listen to quite a bit of bands like Rage Against the Machine and others, but when someone says something like "that artist may be blasphemous" we get all defensive quick. Is there something wrong with that?

I think that some of the people in this thread got quick to snap back and defend without looking completely at what they were defending. I have nothing against secular music, but when it says stuff that goes against what I stand for, then that is where I draw a line. Some artists you have to rule out just songs, some you have to rule them out altogether.

Personally, I think the song "Chop Suey" is pretty catchy, but I won't become a huge fan of System of a Down, simply because they have quite a few songs that don't really sound like something God would want me to be interested in.

I don't mean to offend, I was just bringing up a point.

Scott

12-05-2001, 01:11 PM

Well, Chop Suey has officially been played to death. It should be banned from the radio/mtv type things/cd players forever.

bleachedrhino

12-05-2001, 02:33 PM

I haven't listened to the radio much and I hardly ever watch MTV.... I just have that song on a mix that I burned.....so it sounds like you just need a break from the song....a song that should be banned from radio play is Higher: Creed..don't get me wrong, I love Creed....but that song is PLAYED OUT! :cool:

Scott

12-05-2001, 04:16 PM

happily, creed arent that big over here, so no one can ruin them for me.

IFearCarnies

12-05-2001, 04:30 PM

A post in this thread earlier said that the song is about a girl... My understanding is that the song is actually about a friend of Serj Tankian's who committed suicide. The guy was really depressed and had a lot of problems that he tried to cover up ("Grab a brush and put on a little makeup, hide the scars to fade away the shakeup, why'd you leave the keys up on the table, here you go create another fable."). He also had a lot of problems with is father (abuse and mental detachment) and blamed his as the main reason for his suicide ("Father into your hands I commend my spirit, Father why have you forsaken me, in your eyes forsaken me, in your thoughts forsaken me, in your mind forsaken me.")

At the Drive-In, FurtherSeemsForever, and Jimmy Eat World are great bands. Everyone should listen to them...(okay, so it's a little off topic).

Electricgrandpa

12-11-2001, 02:14 PM

Well, I was pretty impressed with the music and lyrics until I listened to their first album. Although very good, it's lyrics contained a lot of swearing and hatred which is not found in Toxicity...

But if you want catchy, listen to Sugar, now there is a catchy song... and the video is nuts too.

Their guitarist is so crazy that it's awesome....

They are good, but they stand for some bad stuff... Being anti-government isn't exactly a good thing either.

-EG

Scott

12-11-2001, 05:04 PM

ahhh, but some of the disciples were revolutionaries. just an interesting aside.

and I agree about the first album being pretty awful that way. This thread never dies does it?

IAmCrossEyed

12-11-2001, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by Electricgrandpa
Being anti-government isn't exactly a good thing either. I know I know.....sorry!

XxBaTmaNxX

12-11-2001, 08:05 PM

yeah toxicity is soooooooooooo much betta

Electricgrandpa

12-12-2001, 02:08 PM

You might wanna check this out tho : http://www.family.org/pplace/pi/music/a0018548.html

-EG

ChrisPeeper

12-12-2001, 02:26 PM

I am gonna go on a rant here. I really really despise that website. Who gives these "superchristians" the right to catergorize and criticize all these other people? They are contridicting themselves. First of all, nobody is perfect and everyone sins. They act like they have never sinned in their life. Secondly, I find it very funny that eventhough the Bible cautions us to fill our mind w/ good and not bad things.... these people are filling their minds with this stuff that they proclaim is so terrible and awful. I don't really like any of the music and movie they review but you dont see me criticizing other things just because I think I am almost God and those things are wrong.

Scott

12-12-2001, 02:31 PM

christians eh? who'd have em? :D

But seriously, that website has some valid points, and some awful points. And a severe lack of a sense of humour on the writer's part.

Scott

12-12-2001, 02:34 PM

hey guys, go to that sight and read some of the other reviews. They are genuine comedy. They manage to condemn some albums without actually pointing out any fault other than they arent worship albums (exaggeration but you get my point)

Scott

12-12-2001, 02:35 PM

HAHAHA they missed the obvious christian lyrics on U2's last album. coughloserscough

XxBaTmaNxX

12-12-2001, 04:31 PM

ur right scotty humorous

Electricgrandpa

12-13-2001, 02:37 PM

Actually, I think that website is quite good for most things...

They don't usually just tell you if something is bad or not, they say why it is bad. They aren't saying that it's bad because they think it's bad, they are saying it is bad according to the bible. They aren't saying they are God or anything. The only reason they are "filling their minds" with this is so that we don't have to, we should thank them.

You(Chris), in critizing them, are being a hippocrite.

-EG

Scott

12-13-2001, 02:53 PM

no, they don't say why it is bad. They quickly have a quick glance at the sleeve and the lyrics, a cursory listen, and don't think about the lyrics.

They criticise radiohead for using imagery. Nothing bad, just imagery. And for singing a song about divorce.

And as I said above, they don't notice the christian lyrics in U2's music, and criticise beautiful day, even though it's meant to be partly about Christ's birth.

Electricgrandpa

12-13-2001, 03:13 PM

Well, I think a quick glance at the lyrics is really all they need for most bands. They are very good at picking out the bad things in songs, when sometimes you can't hear it yourself, or aren't sure if something is wrong, or what is being implied. They often show me things about bands that I never knew before.

I looked at the radiohead review, and they don't condemn it for "imagery" or anything, all their reviews seem to be quite levelheaded. They provide reasons why it is good and why it is bad, and then the overall of it.

The good and bad parts are not biased at all, they simply state the facts about the album and why parts of it are wrong according to the Bible and what we believe as christians. Even if you didn't read the last section, the other two are very useful, especially the one on what is bad about the album.

-EG

Scott

12-13-2001, 03:40 PM

the messages are generally neutral and obscure with lines like "I slipped on a little white lie/We’ve got heads on sticks/You’ve got ventriloquists"

that is what they said about morning bell. OOOH the meaning is obscure, and our little minds don't understand it. ITS OF THE DEVIL!

screaming_broccoli

12-15-2001, 03:38 AM

sort of reminds me of The Water Boy. If it ain't what Momma likes IT'S THE DEVIL!!!!

That site doesn't look deeply in the lyrics. They probably judge on the way they look. Like i said before, They look satanic, THEY'RE THE DEVIL!!!! Ha!!!! Yeah Right!!!!

Electricgrandpa

12-15-2001, 08:15 AM

Well if you can tell they are bad on the surface, I'd hate to see how much worse the hidden meanings are...

-MaTT

Scott

12-15-2001, 12:45 PM

God looks on the inside, not the outside, remember?

Electricgrandpa

12-15-2001, 01:52 PM

yes... but our outside also represents our inside... and i don't think comparing the meaning of music to the surface is like comparing how people act to who they are...

outside represents inside : Often our thoughts are even worse than we act... usually if we say something bad we were thinking even worse...

How could something have something bad in a song, but actually mean something good... a line like "I shot the guy in the jaw" can't really be taken well, even if there was a hidden meaning.

-EG

Scott

12-16-2001, 12:33 PM

havent you ever heard of metaphors? I spose not

Electricgrandpa

12-16-2001, 01:40 PM

oh, i definately have... however, if the metaphor is bad, chances are that the meaning will be bad as well.

-EG

IFearCarnies

12-16-2001, 03:59 PM

I went that website and got a great laugh out of it. I loved the way they took so many lyrics out of context and condemned them about being evil. They claimed that Blink 182's line "we p*** people off with what we wear" are encouraging the youth of today to do that. However, when that line is read with the entire song it is very obvious that it is a sarcastic statement showing the immaturity and stupidity of the youth of modern America. They do this with many other Blink 182 songs as well. Almost every line stated from Korn is taken out of context (not that Korn has great meanings behind their songs). Overall, it is a horrible website.

I love in the TV shows section where they all but blame the Simpsons for the downfall of Western Civilization.

Scott

12-16-2001, 04:56 PM

i didnt look at the tv section. off i go, should be comical. And I disagree about the metaphor argument, Jesus used some metaphors which were less than nice. Take the Good Samaritan. Young man is rude to his father, and walks out with his inheritance. He proceeds to get blind drunk, party and hang around with a bad crowd. He ends up in the lowest job imaginable, which involved working with unclean animals. He then considers eating pig swill, as he is starving and has no food. Then he returns to his father, willing to work as a slave. Hardly nice, is it? Or would you like all metaphors to be about nice things, like, ehhhhh, lambs.

Electricgrandpa

12-16-2001, 06:36 PM

Regardless of that, most of the things they say may be metaphorical, but most of the time they aren't taken that way. Even if they mean something else, you can't assume that everyone will see it the way that the artist intended. That's why they tell you which things could be taken the wrong way.

I don't have the time to look at the tv section, but in the same way, I think it is probably the same kind of thing... You guys don't want to admit that what you are listening to or watching is wrong... and even when someone tells you that it's wrong you don't care. If they are blaming the simpsons for the state of western civilization, then I'm sure they have some good reasons... These people are definately not stupid, they know what they are talking about, and they give good evidence for it.

There is also a verse that states something like do whatever is pure, whatever is admirable etc etc. (it's in the swearing thread)... Is most of this music pure, or admirable, or any of the other thing in that verse... usually not. Are these tv shows pure, admirable, or any of the things in that verse... usually not.

The other thing you have to realize is what you are supporting for buying CD's and recommending these bands to your friends and going to their concerts etc etc. You have to realize that you are supporting these bands with your money, and you have to realize what they stand up for. A lot of these bands are pro-abortion, and many other bad things. for example, system of a down is more or less anti-government, same with bands like rage against the machine. bands like blink 182 support a whole lot of bad stuff, just listen to some of their earlier cds, or some of their interviews.

-EG