USA always beats England in wars

[Travis]

So, how many wars have we beat the crap out of you in? ;)

[guyforGod]

correction


the US always beats England in wars, OR bails them out of wars they would lose otherwise!

:-)

[Travis]

Haha!! There ya go :)

We have saved them almost as much as we have saved France.

[chelsea_gabriel]

"We have saved them almost as much as we have saved France"

That is simply not true, ww1 Britian was having difficulties and when the US joined in the difficulties stoped, however, the small amount the US helped, less than 10% of the western front troups, probably did not do much. It is considered that the French were the ones who did the most to win ww1.

Now WW2 I will not include Japan as that was a war that only the US (mainly)were involved in.
North Africa: Yes American forces did help in the west, however the war was won here in Egypt by the British in late 1942 (untill that point the germans had one every battle).
Italy: Again American forces did help a great deal but it was the British who did most
Burma: This was only the British and Aussies who were involved.
D-Day and the rest of France: This was again helped by America, but it was the british who had more troups i think 5-1. the US landed on the toughest beaches but then had a easy ride. With the execption of Arnhem it was all Britan with help from America.
The main areas of war for WW2 were in the air and in eastern europe. This is where Germany lost the war, post D-Day got the credit but the work was in the air and by the Russians in the east.
The Battle of Britan: this happened before America joined the war and it was the british who won.
The german air attatcks: this again was the British RAF with help from the american Air Force. this is what won the war and it has been covered up due to the horfic loss of servillan lives and distructrun of German Cities such as Dresden.
Eastern Europe: This was the Russians who won this and the second most imporant part of the war. No American involvement.
While WW2 would not have been won if the US were not invloved they did not win the war on there own, Britian and Russia were more improant-possibly even Canada and Australia helped more.

I don't Know of any other major war in which britan and america were involved together, Sorry.



"So, how many wars have we beat the crap out of you in? "

Well the only war that Britian and the America have fourght against each other is the american war of independence.
This was a war that Britian Did not realy want to win. Britian owned 1/3 of the world and was not bothered about America, so Britian sent over paied Germans who when the going got tough they were off.

[Travis]

Originally posted by chelsea_gabriel
I don't Know of any other major war in which britan and america were involved together, Sorry.

Haha. First of all, it was a joke! I know it was an inaccurate statement, the reason being because it was hyperbole.


Originally posted by chelsea_gabriel
"So, how many wars have we beat the crap out of you in? "

Well the only war that Britian and the America have fourght against each other is the american war of independence.

Oh my gosh! They don't teach you about the war of 1812 in England? Haha, no wonder, i'm sure it is embarassing how Great Britain was beaten again. Seriously though, how could you not know this? (The United States declared War on Great Britain on June 12, 1812.)

Originally posted by chelsea_gabriel
This [war for independence] was a war that Britian Did not realy want to win.

Was that why they were fighting and dying? How retarded.
They wanted to win or they wouldn't have been fighting and wouldn't have paid others to fight.

[Travis]

And I will be back later to destroy what you said about WWII (got lots of hw)

[chelsea_gabriel]

"They wanted to win or they wouldn't have been fighting and wouldn't have paid others to fight."

they wanted to win yes- what i ment to say was that they were not bothered wether they lost or won. As far as money they were the richest country in the world- it ment there soliders could rape and piladge else where.

[studentofGod]

Where's the love!?!? Why can't England and the US be friends?
:(

I like England, personally. It's a rather nice place. And...:D...you can't go wrong with the accent!!

[chelsea_gabriel]

I have not heard of 1812 sorry you are probably correct as far an not being taught- just as you are taught about WW2 and the war of independence as i said lots of history books are incorrect. English ones as well as American ones. As a history student it is your job to work out what is real and what if fact. I would also watch your teachers as they will try to make you belive any thing ( as will your government)

[chelsea_gabriel]

"Why can't England and the US be friends? "

We are friends look at the war against terriosim.

[Oddjob]

YAY we're all friends

[DreamChaser]

Heya,

I would also watch your teachers as they will try to make you belive any thing ( as will your government)

I dont have a choice;) my Mom is my teacher:) (technically, I learn almost purely from books now)

[perhaps]

HEY! anyone remember how the English came to Canada and then kicked the americans butts by burning down the white house?
I DO!

[DreamChaser]

Heya,

WOW! you must be OLD!!!

[guyforGod]

Originally posted by perhaps
HEY! anyone remember how the English came to Canada and then kicked the americans butts by burning down the white house?
I DO!

thats the war of 1812

we won in the end

[perhaps]

that doesnt take away the fact that they DID in fact burn it down! burn baby burn!
win my eye, we STILL have more land than you and i could care less
i just like teasing...heh heh
BURN BURN!!
oh yeah, and go England!!!!

and yes, i am old, verrrrrry old

[guyforGod]

hehe

yer silly perhaps


i'll get back to you later, chelsea_gabriel. i, like PleasureSpain (oops, my bad travis! :-)) i mean PleasuresPain, am real busy studyin right now.... but in time.... i will.

[guyforGod]

Originally posted by chelsea_gabriel

Now WW2 I will not include Japan as that was a war that only the US (mainly)were involved in.


The war in the Pacific was ALL US. do you know why? because the other countries didn't have the forces, power, or tactical positions to battle them. To ignore this, one of our larger comtributions to the war, suggests taht you don't want the truth as it is, rather as you see it.

Originally posted by chelsea_gabriel
"D-Day and the rest of France: This was again helped by America, but it was the british who had more troups i think 5-1. the US landed on the toughest beaches but then had a easy ride. With the execption of Arnhem it was all Britan with help from America.


I'd really like to see your sources on this one. The D-Day invasion, lead by U.S. General Eisenhower, was carried out by 20 American, 14 British, 3 Canadian, 1 French, and 1 Polish division. Some US divisions landed on the toughest stretch of beach (Omaha), while the british divisions were focused on what turned out to be the easiest stretches of beach (Gold and Juno). The Americans had a far "tougher ride" than their British counterparts. The German forces were concentrated on Omaha Beach. On top of this, the British had no German armor to worry about when they landed on Gold beach. German armor was all over at Omaha and caused a lot of trouble for the Americans. I'm not trying to say that the United States won the battle at Normandy, just pointing out the fact that our involvement was more than a minor thing and was essential to the Allied victory. You tried to downplay our involvement, and i don't agree with that one bit.

Originally posted by chelsea_gabriel
North Africa: Yes American forces did help in the west, however the war was won here in Egypt by the British in late 1942 (untill that point the germans had one every battle).
Italy: Again American forces did help a great deal but it was the British who did most


The scope of the American contribution to the war against Germany and Italy started modestly and grew to enormous proportions. At the beginning of the North African invasion, the United States could provide only one corps. By the close of the war, six numbered American armies operated in western Europe, although the Fifteenth Army was not organized until the end of the war. Americans provided 61 of 91 Allied divisions in the western Europe theater of operations, plus 7 of 18 divisions in Italy. Four of the six Allied tactical air commands were American. Even these figures do not represent the full American contribution to the Allied victory. The United States provided ammunition, equipment, and other essential military supplies to British and Russian forces.

Originally posted by chelsea_gabriel

The german air attatcks: this again was the British RAF with help from the american Air Force. this is what won the war and it has been covered up due to the horfic loss of servillan lives and distructrun of German Cities such as Dresden.



Like you said, the British RAF did this WITH HELP FROM AMERICA. This, however did not bring about the end of the war. The end of the war came about mostly from the suicide of Adolf Hitler as a result of the crumbling of his force, and the American victory in the pacific arena.

My point in all this is that without major help from the United States during WWII, the allied forces were in trouble. They had not been able to turn the tide before, and would not have been able to without the additions of our troops, officers, and money! to reword this: the United Sta$es bail%d you g%ys out /f WWII.-

than+ you, and have a nice d!y.
--B"ian

[Travis]

Thanks Brian, I just have too much HW to say anything tonight as far as specifics and stuff (this being my only post). Glad you did it, and a good job of it as well. :)

**And it looks like the British have got tore up Americans again :D
First time since the war for independence, oh wait, the war of 1812 ;)**


You can try and either your books are wrong ( Quite a number of history books are) or you won't win as what i have said is BRIEFF but correct.

So any sources I have either agree with you or are wrong? What????

I have not heard of 1812 sorry you are probably correct as far an not being taught- just as you are taught about WW2 and the war of independence as i said lots of history books are incorrect.
English ones as well as American ones. As a history student it is your job to work out what is real and what if fact. I would also watch your teachers as they will try to make you belive any thing ( as will your government)

So text books can be wrong, where is your support and cites for why I am wrong and you are right?

HEY! anyone remember how the English came to Canada and then kicked the americans butts by burning down the white house?

Yeah, Americans were taught about that... unlike the British.
We also beat the crap out of them for it.

We are friends look at the war against terriosim.

Yeah, the US is doing 90% of that too.

[perhaps]

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The war in the Pacific was ALL US. do you know why? because the other countries didn't have the forces, power, or tactical positions to battle them. To ignore this, one of our larger comtributions to the war, suggests taht you don't want the truth as it is, rather as you see it.
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no, um maybe its cuz the US got blasted by the attack on pearl harbour and it peed them (americans) off....thats why

plus it was more convenient for the japs to get the US and not the UK


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"D-Day and the rest of France: This was again helped by America, but it was the british who had more troups i think 5-1. the US landed on the toughest beaches but then had a easy ride. With the execption of Arnhem it was all Britan with help from America.
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I'd really like to see your sources on this one. The D-Day invasion, lead by U.S. General Eisenhower, was carried out by 20 American, 14 British, 3 Canadian, 1 French, and 1 Polish division. Some US divisions landed on the toughest stretch of beach (Omaha), while the british divisions were focused on what turned out to be the easiest stretches of beach (Gold and Juno). The Americans had a far "tougher ride" than their British counterparts. The German forces were concentrated on Omaha Beach. On top of this, the British had no German armor to worry about when they landed on Gold beach. German armor was all over at Omaha and caused a lot of trouble for the Americans. I'm not trying to say that the United States won the battle at Normandy, just pointing out the fact that our involvement was more than a minor thing and was essential to the Allied victory. You tried to downplay our involvement, and i don't agree with that one bit.
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i quite frankly could care less about this arguement lol


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The United States provided ammunition, equipment, and other essential military supplies to British and Russian forces.
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dont say that youre providing equipment etc, cuz then i could bring in Canada into most war arguements ;)


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Originally posted by guyforGod

My point in all this is that without major help from the United States during WWII, the allied forces were in trouble. They had not been able to turn the tide before, and would not have been able to without the additions of our troops, officers, and money! to reword this: the United States bailed you guys out of WWII.
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i wouldnt deny that fact but i would also like to add that england has been a major power in the world and has had great powers over europe for several years....i also woudnt mess with their navy ;)


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I have not heard of 1812 sorry you are probably correct as far an not being taught- just as you are taught about WW2 and the war of independence as i said lots of history books are incorrect.
English ones as well as American ones. As a history student it is your job to work out what is real and what if fact. I would also watch your teachers as they will try to make you belive any thing (as will your government)
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So text books can be wrong, where is your support and cites for why I am wrong and you are right?
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i think this person wanted to get the point across that history teachers in the US are likely to promote America to an extent greater than it should be. like, make it all out to be more than it is. like in movies for example, has anyone seen U571?? WELL ITS HISTORICALLY INCORRECT! it WASNT the Americans! it was the Canadians! arg! thats SO frustrating! anyways, the US is conceited and always will be. youre bread (sp) to be like that:)


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HEY! anyone remember how the English came to Canada and then kicked the americans butts by burning down the white house?
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Yeah, Americans were taught about that... unlike the British.
We also beat the crap out of them for it.
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hey, it was well worth it! you know how you can pull a stunt on the school bully to teach him a lesson but know youre gonna cet the crap pounded out of ya later, but it was sooo sweet and well worth it? exactly my point.


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We are friends look at the war against terriosim.
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Yeah, the US is doing 90% of that too.
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well its no surprise to me that the US is taking all the credit for that. i mean they already are greedy, why not be more greedy, right? and um, what country was the taliban mainly mad at in the first place? oh thats right, the US - not UK or Canada

[Travis]

Originally posted by perhaps
i wouldnt deny that fact but i would also like to add that england has been a major power in the world and has had great powers over europe for several years....i also woudnt mess with their navy ;)

We did, and we beat them senseless. See war of 1812.

Originally posted by perhaps
i think this person wanted to get the point across that history teachers in the US are likely to promote America to an extent greater than it should be.

Why will it do that any more than Canadian book will promote Canada, and Englsh books England?

Originally posted by perhaps
bread(sp)

Bred

Originally posted by perhaps
hey, it was well worth it! you know how you can pull a stunt on the school bully to teach him a lesson but know youre gonna cet the crap pounded out of ya later, but it was sooo sweet and well worth it? exactly my point.

Have you ever had a history class? Britian was the dominate world power at the time, THEY were the bullies.

Originally posted by perhaps
well its no surprise to me that the US is taking all the credit for that. i mean they already are greedy, why not be more greedy, right?

What are you doing to help? WE are doing most of it, that is a fact.

Originally posted by perhaps
and um, what country was the taliban mainly mad at in the first place? oh thats right, the US - not UK or Canada

What are you doing to help? And the reason you are helping is because we said anyone who didn't is with the terrorists to us.


Also, perhaps, could you please use the quote button in the future? It makes it much less difficult to respond to you. Thanks.

[perhaps]

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Originally posted by pleasurespain
We did, and we beat them senseless. See war of 1812.
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sure, fair enough (burn burn burn hehe)


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Originally posted by pleasurespain
Why will it do that any more than Canadian book will promote Canada, and Englsh books England?
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i never said books - simply people. and my teachers are never pro anything. and besides, the textbooks that i have for history are not pro anything. and i just wanna add that i do like american history and i took the course AND won the award. just wanted to add that so you know i'm not like, "i dont like america at all" so not true, i just like stickin up for other countries when americans are like US IS THE BEST - oh and dont even think about wrongly quoting me on that line ;):):)


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Bred
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thanks :)


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Originally posted by perhaps
hey, it was well worth it! you know how you can pull a stunt on the school bully to teach him a lesson but know youre gonna cet the crap pounded out of ya later, but it was sooo sweet and well worth it? exactly my point.
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Originally posted by pleasurespain
Have you ever had a history class? Britian was the dominate world power at the time, THEY were the bullies.
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i wasnt saying anyone was a bully, that was just an analogy or one of those "-logy" words hehe ...you know that that wasnt meant to be taken literally


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Originally posted by perhaps
well its no surprise to me that the US is taking all the credit for that. i mean they already are greedy, why not be more greedy, right?
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Originially posted by pleasurespain
What are you doing to help? WE are doing most of it, that is a fact.
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um we ARE helping - even if it is only a little. and what does Canada have to do with this?!?! its YOUR problem, but we are still helping (which i will not complain about because i want Canada to help)


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and um, what country was the taliban mainly mad at in the first place? oh thats right, the US - not UK or Canada
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What are you doing to help? And the reason you are helping is because we said anyone who didn't is with the terrorists to us.
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ok, once again, who initiated the problem? THE U.S.


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Also, perhaps, could you please use the quote button in the future? It makes it much less difficult to respond to you. Thanks.
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i tried but i cant. it only then lets me respond to one paragraph and i'm dont know how to do it for the entire thing. i guess thats just us Canadians, eh? ;)

[Travis]

Originally posted by perhaps
i never said books - simply people. and my teachers are never pro anything. and besides, the textbooks that i have for history are not pro anything. and i just wanna add that i do like american history and i took the course AND won the award.

You took it in Canada, it was biased ;)
Seriously though, all the teachers I have were not that bias. The US is not given enough credit for that. We have just about no secrets. The Vietnam war is taught in depth, and we know about the Bay of Pigs and you know all about Watergate and the Clinton scandal. We are taught our mistakes, but it doesn't seem like other countries are. I mean, how could someone from the US or Britian not even know about the war of 1812?

Originally posted by perhaps
[...]US IS THE BEST[...]

I agree. (that was not an improper quote btw ;))

Originally posted by perhaps
i wasnt saying anyone was a bully, that was just an analogy or one of those "-logy" words hehe ...you know that that wasnt meant to be taken literally

Actually I didn't. Sorry about the confusion, but the US is often refered to as a bully, by Iraq, the Taliban, and some pathetic scum here at home.

Originally posted by perhaps
um we ARE helping - even if it is only a little. and what does Canada have to do with this?!?! its YOUR problem, but we are still helping (which i will not complain about because i want Canada to help)

How soon you forget what we were talking about. You brought it up how Canada was helping and I said we were doing most of it. And you are helping because terrorism is a threat to ALL not just us. That is really false and ignorant to say it is OUR problem, keep in mind this is one of VERY few acts of terrorism that has taken place here in comparison to most other countries.

Originally posted by perhaps
ok, once again, who initiated the problem? THE U.S.

I KNOW you didn't just say that. HELLO!!! PLEASE WAKE UP AND STOP SWALLOWING ALL THE CRAP YOU ARE FED. The US has a responsibility as the most powerful nation in the world to protect those who cannot protect themselves! Do you HAVE ANY IDEA what the Taliban has done to the people of Afghanistan? I can anticipate your answer and to it I say- LOOK IT UP. What the US has done NEEDED to be done, and we were the only ones with the guts to do it.

Originally posted by perhaps
i tried but i cant. it only then lets me respond to one paragraph and i'm dont know how to do it for the entire thing. i guess thats just us Canadians, eh? ;)

You can. Push the quote button under my post and it will take you to a reply with the html codes for a quote on the whole post. Cut and paste the begining and ending ones where you want them :) (or for the quote button in the reply, just make it all one paragraph, quote it, then space it out again).

Btw, don't be offended by anything I said, it was not intended to be rude or attack you, just to add emphasis.

[perhaps]

Originally posted by PleasuresPain


You can. Push the quote button under my post and it will take you to a reply with the html codes for a quote on the whole post. Cut and paste the begining and ending ones where you want them :) (or for the quote button in the reply, just make it all one paragraph, quote it, then space it out again).

lol, i'll try :)

Originally posted by PleasuresPain


Btw, don't be offended by anything I said, it was not intended to be rude or attack you, just to add emphasis.

relax, i dont get offended easily on the net - only once before


Originally posted by PleasuresPain


You took it in Canada, it was biased
Seriously though, all the teachers I have were not that bias. The US is not given enough credit for that. We have just about no secrets. The Vietnam war is taught in depth, and we know about the Bay of Pigs and you know all about Watergate and the Clinton scandal. We are taught our mistakes, but it doesn't seem like other countries are. I mean, how could someone from the US or Britian not even know about the war of 1812?

fair enough

Originally posted by PleasuresPain


Actually I didn't. Sorry about the confusion, but the US is often refered to as a bully, by Iraq, the Taliban, and some pathetic scum here at home.

you seriously didnt know what i meant?? it was like in the australia forum when i was talking about punching. i was just comparing what i want to say to something totally irrelevant yet in a situation similar. ahhh that sounds confusing. its something you do in english class (or writing, basically). grrrr i wish i could explain this better!! i probably just confused you even more lol

Originally posted by PleasuresPain


How soon you forget what we were talking about. You brought it up how Canada was helping and I said we were doing most of it. And you are helping because terrorism is a threat to ALL not just us. That is really false and ignorant to say it is OUR problem, keep in mind this is one of VERY few acts of terrorism that has taken place here in comparison to most other countries.

true, fair, but i stand on the fact that we DO help, no matter how little you claim it to be

Originally posted by PleasuresPain


I KNOW you didn't just say that. HELLO!!! PLEASE WAKE UP AND STOP SWALLOWING ALL THE CRAP YOU ARE FED. The US has a responsibility as the most powerful nation in the world to protect those who cannot protect themselves! Do you HAVE ANY IDEA what the Taliban has done to the people of Afghanistan? I can anticipate your answer and to it I say- LOOK IT UP. What the US has done NEEDED to be done, and we were the only ones with the guts to do it.

i'm not agreeing with you but i say thats fair

[Travis]

Originally posted by perhaps
lol, i'll try

And it worked. Congrats :) Not bad considering my directions were kinda vague.

Originally posted by perhaps
relax, i dont get offended easily on the net - only once before

Good good :)

Originally posted by perhaps
you seriously didnt know what i meant?? it was like in the australia forum when i was talking about punching. i was just comparing what i want to say to something totally irrelevant yet in a situation similar. ahhh that sounds confusing. its something you do in english class (or writing, basically). grrrr i wish i could explain this better!! i probably just confused you even more lol

Its ok, I gotcha :)

Originally posted by perhaps
true, fair, but i stand on the fact that we DO help, no matter how little you claim it to be

Yeah Canada is helping, I didn't deny that. Just said the US is doing 90% :D

[perhaps]

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[Bryan]

One of these days Scotland is going to rise up and kick the tar out of all the brits. ;)

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[perhaps]

LOL
no comment

[FreeSpiritBabe]

i think on behalf of all the English i shud thank PERHAPS for stickin up for us. and as an honoury brit i would like to thank the americans for helpin us out coz we surely wudnt av bin able to beat the hairy arm-pitted germans without u! BUT WE DID!!! nah i got nought against the germans, just Hitler! has anyone seen that episode of Fawlty Towers called "The Germans"? my life that's funny, i never laffed so much in my life at that!
:D

[Phil]

We're fighting together right now....

[FreeSpiritBabe]

this is true

[guyforGod]

Originally posted by PleasuresPain


Yeah Canada is helping,

they deployed their navy to help out (see attached pic)

[perhaps]

at least its something! you should be thankful :) ;)

[guyforGod]

we sure are!

how was your "friends" trip to God's country, btw???

[perhaps]

uhhh he said it was "fun"
lol!
oh well, i'm sure he learned something...hopefully!:)
oh yeah, and he went to Columbus

[JT]

The Americans beat the British in Junkyard Wars last night.

[guyforGod]

Originally posted by perhaps
oh yeah, and he went to Columbus

yay!

i go to skewl there!

[Revolution]

So anyway, in answer to the original question... How many wars? Just one - the War of Independance. We were very sporting then, wearing red jackets so you could see us between the trees. Now the spirit of fair play is gone, eveyone wears camo! ;)

[Travis]

Originally posted by Revolution
So anyway, in answer to the original question... How many wars? Just one - the War of Independance.

Sorry, you have made a fool of yourself just like the girl from England who did this. The US beat England in the war of 1812 as well.

[Revolution]

Originally posted by PleasuresPain


Sorry, you have made a fool of yourself just like the girl from England who did this. The US beat England in the war of 1812 as well.

I do that all the time, I've long since stopped caring about it!

Those weren't different wars. Honest. We were just resuming one we had previously stopped paying so much attention to. Really. ;)

So wow, that's like, oh, two wars. Yay USA. :rolleyes: Didn't do so well in Korea, Vietnam or a few others did you? :p Which merely goes to show that militarily, the UK ranks below third world countries. Forget I mentioned it! :D

[Travis]

Sure beat the crap out of Japan.

[Revolution]

Originally posted by PleasuresPain
Sure beat the crap out of Japan.

Yeah, I noticed. And now your troops beat Japanese girls, sometimes rape them, commit arson, burglary, start fights etc etc. Adding insult to injury, they generally are not handed over to the Japanese authorities for trial, instead just getting courtmartialed and sent home.

Obviously dropping the two most inhumane weapons ever used on the country wasn't enough, you had to give it the personal touch...

[Travis]

Yep. That is what happens when you screw with the US. Sorry. We are the most powerful nation and have been for over a century and if someone can't figure that out they will have to pay the price.

[CanadianChick]

You're getting kinda nasty here, Pleasures. Something tells me you haven't seen any of what you're talking about. Read up a little bit on your troops in Japan. . . and while you're at it, check on Vietnam, Korea and the whole shebang. Not pretty, I don't think you'd be taking this tone if you had any idea.

[perhaps]

Originally posted by guyforGod


yay!

i go to skewl there!

kewl!! hahaha

[perhaps]

Originally posted by CanadianChick
You're getting kinda nasty here, Pleasures. Something tells me you haven't seen any of what you're talking about. Read up a little bit on your troops in Japan. . . and while you're at it, check on Vietnam, Korea and the whole shebang. Not pretty, I don't think you'd be taking this tone if you had any idea.

yeah, that was a little bit raw if ya know what i mean

[Travis]

Originally posted by CanadianChick
You're getting kinda nasty here, Pleasures. Something tells me you haven't seen any of what you're talking about.

LOL I have been VERY interested in WWII since I was little and LOTS of my family has fought. Both grandfathers did in WWII and my uncle did in Nam, he got the Purple Heart and some metal of honor as well. I have heard all the stories and seen all the pictures, I know what went on. You don't really think you know more about this stuff than I do, do you? Don't make me laugh.

Originally posted by CanadianChick
Read up a little bit on your troops in Japan. . . and while you're at it, check on Vietnam, Korea and the whole shebang. Not pretty, I don't think you'd be taking this tone if you had any idea.

I have PLENTY of idea!

NEWSFLASH!!!
War is horrible!! Duh! That stuff ALWAYS goes on during war, it ALWAYS HAS! You are acting like the US is the first to do it, when it has in fact been going on ever since war was invented.

[CanadianChick]

hey, calm down. I'm not saying you're stupid. Your post seemed a bit nasty, like "ha-ha, you pick a fight with us and we'll rape and pillage your country." Of course this stuff has gone on in every war since time began. Of course the U.S. is not the only country who's ever done it. My point is that it is not something to admire, or something to mock about. It's ugly business, it's ugly whoever's doing it, and it's not something we should taunt other countries about. Okay?

[brandontmilan]

this is about the craziest thread i've ever seen, first off, it was a joke, he was just kidding around... Secondly, it doesn't matter who helped who more or less, thats not the point. The Americans almost lost the revolution, with out the help of the French, we probably would be pledging allegiance to the queen instead of the flag today. I'm not saying that the Americans were not powerful enough to win, they were just outnumbered greatly, and untrained in war - I'm not sure, but I doubt that the French could have beaten the British without the help of the Americans, so therefore it wasn't either one who saved the other's butts, but they did it together.

And about WWII, if the United States didn't declare war on the Axis when they did, there was a good chance that the Germans would have taken Britain, because D-Day wouldn't have been possible, even though most of the troops were british. If the Germans had have taken Britain, they would have had it all, there would be no way we could take them in an assault similiar to D-Day without the british, and knowing the soviets, they would have joined the axis... anyway, my point is that it isn't how much any one country helps another in distress, or how much they beat the others by, all that matters is that one would make a sacrifice so great for liberty for their own country and their allies...

[Revolution]

Maybe I can understand that attitude towards Japan - but Vietnam certainly didn't mess with America. America messed with them.

But that's a whole different matter, not one for "Europe."

[Oddjob]

this thread is getting crazy, but never mind

[Travis]

Originally posted by Revolution
Maybe I can understand that attitude towards Japan - but Vietnam certainly didn't mess with America. America messed with them.


South Vietnam asked for our help.

[Revolution]

Originally posted by PleasuresPain


South Vietnam asked for our help.

Before or after you started bombing them? Or bullying their government into allowing increased American "co-operation" ??

[timio]

Originally posted by PleasuresPain


Sorry, you have made a fool of yourself just like the girl from England who did this. The US beat England in the war of 1812 as well.

Only point to add:

Canada would be a state if the US had beaten Britain in the war of 1812. So therefore, we got the better end of the stick anyways :Þ

just joking with you, but Canada is a great place to live and I'm quite glad that we're not under American rule.

[paat]

hey,
i must add that none of our countries (countries other than canada) didn't whine to the rest of the countries after we were attacked (no offense).

also, what kinda country has a president that "forgets" to mention their CLOSEST NEIGHBOORS in the speech declaring "war against terrorism?" that's just not polite.

In Him,
Pat

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by PleasuresPain
NEWSFLASH!!!
War is horrible!! Duh! That stuff ALWAYS goes on during war, it ALWAYS HAS! You are acting like the US is the first to do it, when it has in fact been going on ever since war was invented. [/B]

But that ought not to excuse it. Personally, I would not mind seeing any US troops (or other troops, for that matter) flogged for raping anybody, in wartime or not. And then handed over to local authorities. And to add insult to injury, these things don't stop in wartime, as recent (about a year or less, as I recall) events show.

As to who helped who-- The UK could not have won WW2 alone. But neither could the US.

I'm a red-blooded, born-and-raised American, and proud of it. But because I love my country, I think our representatives ought to conduct themselves with dignity. And Americans have failed. We are in a unique position in the world, but too often it is abused. The biggest kid on the block tends to throw his weight around, and I am not proud of a host of things my country has done. But... it still is an incredibly swell place to live.

-Dave in Reno, Nevada, USA!!!

[MariSiân]

Originally posted by PleasuresPain
We are the most powerful nation and have been for over a century and if someone can't figure that out they will have to pay the price.
... led by a man who faints while chewing on a pretzel. enough said.

Oh and one little thing ... the thread names "England" and yet everybody seems to be talking about "Britain" which would be - Wales, England, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Its a minor detail but hey, being Welsh (and British) and NOway English, I had to bring it up.

Pleasurespain you're scary. :D

[Erika]

Originally posted by MariSian

... led by a man who faints while chewing on a pretzel. enough said.

I SAY
HEHEHEH truly????


Oh and one little thing ... the thread names "England" and yet everybody seems to be talking about "Britain" which would be - Wales, England, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Its a minor detail but hey, being Welsh (and British) and NOway English, I had to bring it up.

I SAY
Yes, we Welsh rule the roost!!!

Pleasurespain you're scary. :D

I SAY
Trust me, he's not.
He's just Texan, and Texans like to argue...TRAVIS!!!

PLEASE BEHAVE!!!!

[Unregistered]

HEY, england is kewl....

[cq dx]

I would submit that we might not assume
that the only role Brittain played was defeat,
or a simple recipient of military hand-outs.

I think ALL americans should take half of
their history courses in Europe, and ALL
europeans take half their history courses
in America, just to widen their perspectives of
one another.

<B>Why the "War" of 1812 is largely minimised
by Great Brittain:</B>

What might have appeared to be a huge and
nearly disasterous second war of independence
to the Americans . . . . was really simply a
parenthetic event in the military activites of
the Empire at that time.

The american navy had a nasty habit of
providing refuge for deserting British seamen,
and british patrol packets would force a suspected
US bark or brig hove-to, board their vessel, and
search out these deserters to the Crown.

This would not have happened of the US had honoured
international protocal, and return british criminals.

No, it was "how dare you do this!" leading to
hostilities.

Consider that during this same time, Brittain was
engaged with a far more deadly enemy, Napoleon
and the French Empire. By ignoring warnings that
US ships were commercing in the harbours of a hostile
enemy, the US exposed her ships to military action.

America was abetting the enemy of Great Brittain, who
warned her to honour her previously declared neutrality.

But it must be kept in mind that the war of 1812
is regarded as a parenthetic action executed to
police the safety of the Realm. That, and nothing
else. It must also be noted that the americans
continued to prosecute this war even up to a year
after the peace was signed at Ghent. It is said
that word did not get to Andrew Jackson in New
Orleans. Yeah, a major port town and news
focal point. right.

Is it taught that during the US Civil War,
the US was returning the Impressment
activities for which it went to war with Brittain over,
firing boadsides across the bow of Royal
Navy and Merchant ships, boarding THEM,
and looking for THEIR enemies?
So much to the degree that Victoria had to
mobilise her forces along the Canadian front,
and detatched 140 thousand troops for a
possible war with the American Northern Union,
Nearly recognising the South, thus opening
up a second front for Lincoln to deal with?
Brittain very nearly went to war.

Mr Lincoln had to do some hurry scurry, and
sent Mr. Adams to HM to do some damage
control, BIG time. Queen Victoria and a very
Conservative Parliament and PM Disraeli
relented, and went so far as to shutting down
the Southern Naval development activities
on the Isle, proper.

Brittain, if she was vindictive at all, could have
reduced the Union, militarily caught flat-footed,
as evidenced by the South's tremendous
victories in the opening 2 years of the Civil War.

Emporer Napoleon III would not have minded
that at all. He was very sympathetic to the
South, and very nearly recognised her independence.
This would have enabled the south to secure
alliances, money, supplies, and most of all,
arms and men, thus securing her independence.

Brittain, by NOT doing what she very easily
and of right could have, saved the United States.

And you think the Civil War was purely and
American affair. . . . .

I don't recall this episode even being mentioned
in american history studies, except in university
level research.

Just to add a little balance to the discussion.

John Bull has been a rather game fellow.
Brittain has been a good parent country,
faithful friend and an excellent partner in
war.

They must be! They're where the Aussies
came from!!

(BTW, i am a US Army Brat.) :cowboy:

[MariSiân]

Originally posted by gary
Brittain

where is Brittain? I live in Britain... :rolleyes: :p ;)

[cq dx]

(L.O.L.) Well, now, if i spelled it correctly,
somebody might think i come from there,
and all the objectivity would go out the
window.
:klol:

Of course, i could always spell it the
way i actually learned it:

Gross Britanien.

( i went to primary school in Germany. )


cheers.

[shineN]

Allright Gary, go Army brats!
US kicks, dang... look at Fill-in-the-blank-astan...

oh and everyone in Vietnam was messed up, from foot soldier on up....

[perhaps]

Originally posted by timio
Canada is a great place to live and I'm quite glad that we're not under American rule.

ME TOO!

anyway, i am gonna attempt to "summarize" this whole stupid thing...why? because :)


ok, so we know the U.S. is a strong power. WOW. they always have been. but so has England. sure the US has helped England out in WWII but that was AFTER they decided to isolate themselves from the war.

so:
*the US was slow to react until the war finally affected them and they felt threatened but didnt feel a need to enter it before
*BUT they did aid Britain (and specifically England) a LOT

ok, what else...
Vietnam:
(dont know much about this war, currently learning about it right now!)
*arguably the States' fault
*key word arguably
*even stronger argument: states lost (lol)
*amanda has a lack of knowledge and cannot come to a conclusion so this will have to do: everyone is cool, wow, fun times, yeah, ok, and we're done here. :)

1812:
(this one makes me laugh :))
*almost equal war, i guess you could put it
*however, ultimately Brit's won

i just reread the title of this thread: "USA always beats England in wars"

what wars did the US fight England in?? (-1812)

actually, dont answer the question

just close this thread

its stupid anyways

...Travis...:rolleyes:

[MariSiân]

Originally posted by perhaps


*BUT they did aid Britain (and specifically England) a LOT



can I just ask, what makes you think they aided England specifically?

[Travis]

Originally posted by perhaps
ok, so we know the U.S. is a strong power. WOW. they always have been. but so has England. sure the US has helped England out in WWII but that was AFTER they decided to isolate themselves from the war.
So what? If it weren't for the US everyone would be speaking German and/or Japanese right now.
Originally posted by perhaps
*the US was slow to react until the war finally affected them and they felt threatened but didnt feel a need to enter it before
*BUT they did aid Britain (and specifically England) a LOT
So what if we were slow to react? Are we obligated to help others? I think not. But we still do it.
Originally posted by perhaps
Vietnam:
(dont know much about this war[...]
The statements you made regarding this conflict prove this statement true.
First of all, it was not a war, it was a conflict. We have not declared war since WWII.
Originally posted by perhaps
*arguably the States' fault
*key word arguably
It isn't even arguable. How is it our fault? What are you even referring to being our fault? We started helping the South Vietnamese AFTER they were already fighting the communists. We are in no way responsible for the whole conflict starting.
Originally posted by perhaps
*even stronger argument: states lost (lol)
We did not lose, we withdrew our forces from fighting for another nation because the cost (monetarily, in human life, and the cost on the country's morale) was just too much and the nation we were helping was losing ground anyways. The cost was higher than the benefit so we elected to withdraw millitary support.
Originally posted by perhaps
*amanda has a lack of knowledge
Obviously...
Originally posted by perhaps
1812:
(this one makes me laugh :))
*almost equal war, i guess you could put it
*however, ultimately Brit's won
Have you ever read a history book? Britian lost the war of 1812 and that is a fact.

[cq dx]

<B> "what makes you think they aided
England specifically?"</B>

Well, i guess the rest of the island came
along for good measure.

;)

[cq dx]

<B>"Have you ever read a history book?
Britian lost the war of 1812 and that is a
fact"</B>

Indeed. Treaty of Ghent ( 24 Dec, 1814 ).
But in the larger picture, the American conflict
hardly measures as a serious War to Britain,
who at the time had bigger fish to fry. Napolean
was on the way to Waterloo (1815). Success
on the Continent had much higher priority and
greater consequences. In fact, pulling her
resources out of the American West was quite
a convienience, really.

[Travis]

Originally posted by gary
But in the larger picture, the American conflict
hardly measures as a serious War to BritainThis I do not deny. I only maintain that the US won. :)

[MariSiân]

Originally posted by Travis

So what? If it weren't for the US everyone would be speaking German and/or Japanese right now.


Yeah, but I'm pretty sure other nations played a part too... the US did not single handedly beat off the Nazis. At least thats not what we're taught here in Britain. I dont know what you're fed in the US! So the same could be said for the other nations - if it weren't for (intsert other nations here) everyone would be speaking German right now.

Originally posted by Travis

So what if we were slow to react? Are we obligated to help others? I think not. But we still do it.


Oh and how we are oh so grateful, what would we do without you?! I dread to think...
:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Travis

It isn't even arguable. How is it our fault? What are you even referring to being our fault?


Because nothing could ever, in a million years, be AMERICA'S fault!! Whoever would even suggest such a thing.

Originally posted by Travis

We did not lose, we withdrew our forces

Oh puuuuhleeeze.

Originally posted by Travis

Have you ever read a history book? Britian lost the war of 1812 and that is a fact

we did not lose, we withdrew our forces. :D



PS. Travis, please please don't take me too seriously, whatever you do. I'm just having fun. ;) :D

[Travis]

Originally posted by MariSiân
Because nothing could ever, in a million years, be AMERICA'S fault!! Whoever would even suggest such a thing.
Please explain how the Vietnam conflict was. I would be very interested in hearing this.
Originally posted by MariSiân
we did not lose, we withdrew our forces. :D
Nope, sorry. The Treaty of Ghent says otherwise. Can you refer me to a treaty that we signed ending the Vietnam conflict? Nope, because there was none.
Originally posted by MariSiân
PS. Travis, please please don't take me too seriously, whatever you do. I'm just having fun. ;) :D
;)

[MariSiân]

Travis, do me one favour and I'll be happy. Just agree with me on this one thing? America may be the most powerful nation on earth but that does not mean that Americans somehow are superior over other peoples due to this reason?

Originally posted by Travis

;)



:p

[Travis]

Originally posted by MariSiân
Travis, do me one favour and I'll be happy. Just agree with me on this one thing? America may be the most powerful nation on earth
Ok, I agree :D



Originally posted by MariSiân
but that does not mean that Americans somehow are superior over other peoples due to this reason?
Heheh yeah I agree with that too :)

[cq dx]

One benefit of growing up as an army
brat growing up overseas. . . . we tend
to get our info from both sides. It's hard
to get away from the "other side of the
coin".

( which is why many of us have been
unfairly regarded as "unpatriotic". )

[Gryngamour]

for a clarifying point from long ago

isn't britain the island that consists of the countries of England, Wales, and Scotland; and then UK adds the old ulsters?

just checking

[MariSiân]

Originally posted by Gryngamour
for a clarifying point from long ago

isn't britain the island that consists of the countries of England, Wales, and Scotland; and then UK adds the old ulsters?

just checking

Yeah I'm pretty sure Britain is just Wales, Scotland and England whereas UK includes N.Ireland. I'm not sure Southern Ireland is associated in any way with us.

How bad is this - I'm not sure and I live here!


*types www.google.co.uk ...* :D

[MariSiân]

here ya go, some definitions you may find helpful:


NORTHERN IRELAND This is not the place to go into the complex history and political circumstances of Northern Ireland, except so far as necessary to describe the linguistic pitfalls which arise from them. The north-east portion of the island of Ireland is part of the United Kingdom, and is officially called Northern Ireland. Whilst nearly all of those who live there are legally British citizens, strangers are advised to avoid using the adjective "British" in relation to someone from Northern Ireland unless they are sure it will not be resented. Those who favour unification of the province with the Republic of Ireland are more likely to refer to it as "the north of Ireland" or "the six counties". Northern Ireland is sometimes also referred to as "Ulster", the name of one of the four historical kingdoms (later provinces) of Ireland, but to do so may also be regarded as politically contentious; the modern borders of NI do not coincide with the historical borders of Ulster, which included three other counties now in the Republic.

BRITISH ISLES. A geographical term referring to the islands off the north-west coast of continental Europe, including the islands of Great Britain, Ireland, groups such as the outer and inner Hebrides, Shetlands and Orkneys, and countless others. The southernmost islands are the Channel Islands (though these are not universally regarded as belonging to the group), and the northernmost the Shetlands. Geographically the Faeroes (which belong to Denmark) might be regarded as part of the archipelago, but from an English usage standpoint they are not generally included in the term. The use of "British" in this context does not indicate that all the islands belong to Britain, any more than the phrase "Irish Sea" implies Irish sovereignty over that stretch of water.

GREAT BRITAIN. Used by cartographers to denote the biggest of the British Isles, containing most but not all of England, Wales and Scotland. The usage goes back to Roman times ("Britannia Major", distinguished from "Britannia Minor", ie Brittany). It also forms part of the official title of the United Kingdom, in which case it means the political entities of England, Scotland, Wales, *including* the offshore islands which belong to those countries. Because of the possible confusion between these two usages, "the British mainland" has been suggested as the least ambiguous term for the major island itself.


BRITAIN. The informal name for the United Kingdom. The following extract from the OED gives the historical background to the usage:

"After the Old English period, Britain was used only as a historical
term, until about the time of Henry VIII and Edward VI, when it came
again into practical politics in connexion with the efforts made to
unite England and Scotland; in 1604 James I was proclaimed _King of
Great Britain'; and this name was adopted for the United Kingdom, at
the Union in 1707."



Oh I seeeeee! So... in summary...

"Great Britain" is the parts of England, Scotland, Wales that are all joined together.

"Britain" & "UK" is the same thing, being the whole of England, Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland

[Unregistered]

Mari.

Is it just that you are very brainy or do you really have too much spare time on your hands:)

No, well done for educating those yanks, you're doing a good job.

I can't believe how intelligent this thread is!!!

*ducks out to give her brain a rest*

[Cadence]

Originally posted by Travis
We are the most powerful nation and have been for over a century and if someone can't figure that out they will have to pay the price. Pride came before the fall.:D

[Yojimbo]

So is English food as bad as Dave Barry and the rest of the world says it is?

[MariSiân]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Mari.

Is it just that you are very brainy or do you really have too much spare time on your hands:)



haha... No, not brainy and yes, waaaaaay too much spare time!! (Well, not really - I'm taking you're British - well, I'm doing my A-levels at the moment so i dont really have any time at all! I'm just not doing any work! hehe)

Goodness: English food isn't that bad. Welsh food is better :D Nah, it's all becoming really Americanised over here - KFC, McDonalds, Burger King and all the rest of it. Yuck! So anyway who is Dave Barry?

[Cadence]

Originally posted by MariSiân
KFC, McDonalds, Burger King and all the rest of it. Yuck!You got that right! The only fast food place I really like anymore is a place called Inn-N-Out.....mmmmmm. Very good stuff!

I apologize on behalf of America for sending you guys crappy fast "food". ;):D

[MariSiân]

Originally posted by paradigm
You got that right! The only fast food place I really like anymore is a place called Inn-N-Out.....mmmmmm. Very good stuff!

I apologize on behalf of America for sending you guys crappy fast "food". ;):D

we dont have Inn-N-Out...

Anyways I just keep well away from the other places - being vegetarian there's not much point going anywhere near them anyway :rolleyes:

[Cadence]

Originally posted by MariSiân


we dont have Inn-N-Out...

Anyways I just keep well away from the other places - being vegetarian there's not much point going anywhere near them anyway :rolleyes: LOL...very true! Yeah Inn-N-Out is only in California....they're slowly moving up and out, but their focus was to grow slowly.

I bet you that this place would make you not want to be a vegetarian anymore.;)


You don't like us carnivores?

[MariSiân]

Originally posted by paradigm
I bet you that this place would make you not want to be a vegetarian anymore.;)


You don't like us carnivores?


Trust me, I dont want to be a vegetarian... its just a curse I have to bear :(

As for carnivores, I have a whole family of them... gotta love 'em :D

[Jeremiah]

Originally posted by MariSiân
So anyway who is Dave Barry?

He's a comedian.

[MariSiân]

Originally posted by JSmith


He's a comedian.

thank you, JSmith :)

I was still wondering about that! :rolleyes:

[Oddjob]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........... i know who he is :D

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Cadence]

Originally posted by MariSiân



Trust me, I dont want to be a vegetarian... its just a curse I have to bear :( :( Why's that?

[MariSiân]

Originally posted by paradigm
:( Why's that?

'cause I dont like meat or fish... ever since I was about 2. I want to like them, its such a nuisance.


:(

[Oddjob]

hehehe :lol:, you made me laugh........ :lol: .....................

but no it's not funny at all :stare:

[BenHuff]

you guys are rediculous (british people that is)

[BenHuff]

The US was resposible for 70% of the victory in Africa, 99% of the victory in Pacific, 90% of victory in DDay and the following campaign, and 90% of the victory in italy.

Could the US have won WWII by itself? not a question...

[UKMatt]

The USA:
total: 9,631,418 sq km
land: 9,161,923 sq km
water: 469,495 sq km
note: includes only the 50 states and District of Columbia
Pop.:295,734,134 (July 2005 est.)

The UK
total: 244,820 sq km
land: 241,590 sq km
water: 3,230 sq km
note: includes Rockall and Shetland Islands
Pop.:60,441,457 (July 2005 est.)

Of course you would win the bloody wars. your BIGGER than we are.
Now shall we ignore the size af america for the moment. 5 top US NCOs came to britain and tried out for the SAS. not one of them passed the entrance test.

Intellegence? we have 3% higher lieracy rate

Politics? We CREATED modern-day democracy (to our own shame, in my view)

Economics? we have .4% less unemployment and 20% less public debt. The pound sterling is almost twice as powerful as the doller

in short, UK owns US at everything

[Mathijs]

The USA:
total: 9,631,418 sq km
land: 9,161,923 sq km
water: 469,495 sq km
note: includes only the 50 states and District of Columbia
Pop.:295,734,134 (July 2005 est.)

The UK
total: 244,820 sq km
land: 241,590 sq km
water: 3,230 sq km
note: includes Rockall and Shetland Islands
Pop.:60,441,457 (July 2005 est.)

Of course you would win the bloody wars. your BIGGER than we are.
Now shall we ignore the size af america for the moment. 5 top US NCOs came to britain and tried out for the SAS. not one of them passed the entrance test.

Intellegence? we have 3% higher lieracy rate

Politics? We CREATED modern-day democracy (to our own shame, in my view)

Economics? we have .4% less unemployment and 20% less public debt. The pound sterling is almost twice as powerful as the doller

in short, UK owns US at everything
And they invented english.

By the way, this thread is really old...

[OneHope]

I think you are forgetting the War of 1812. Yeah, the war where the United States tried to annex Britain in Canada. Not only did we beat you but we burned down the White House.

[Fenderuser91]

So, how many wars have we beat the crap out of you in? ;)

we beat england in one war and they change everything; power side of the road and lots of other things.

[Moon Boots]

Ha. What a load of rubbish.

Americans are English people living in a different place.