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The band has become a parity of themselves. I recently saw them at a concert in Kansas.
The concert was good over all. The lead singer is a wet blanket. He has poor stage presence, and is rude. There was a time when he acted put out because of people taking pictures. He told people to get it over with, take there pics. The lights were almost out at that point. What a slap in the face of the fans.
Noah and Lester are the only talent in that band really. Noah was seated for all of one song, because of his torn ACL. He is pretty tight. Lester is a good showman, and pretty funky for a rock band drummer. I like him alot.
As far as the other guys, their movements on stage were over exaggerated, and predictable. Very corny and old fashioned.
Not a slam on Pillar, but they are getting dated, and will soon be over commercialized, and history. There is nothing to set them apart. And in this world of kids running the music business, any band 8 years old has been around long enough.
TG-da-JF
11-12-2005, 01:35 PM
The lead singer is a wet blanket. He has poor stage presence, and is rude. There was a time when he acted put out because of people taking pictures. He told people to get it over with, take there pics. The lights were almost out at that point.
I didnt understand those sentences:s. You said Rob acted out while on stage :|? anyway theyre just humans too you know. maybe rob and kalel didnt feel ok. i bet you wouldnt be better on stage. and as long theyre a band ill be a loyal fan.
He acted like a complete jack on stage. He had a poor attitude, and acted like he was put out to be there. Some of the people that I know have known those guys from day one. One of them played with Lester on other project. They too say that Pillar has the "rock star" mentality, and wonder about their motives now.
Come on. Some of those young kids idolize (which is wrong, but true nonetheless) the guys. Some of those young kids were unsaved. Some of those kids probably went home with a bad taste in their mouth, thinking that the people in that band would live differently than they do.
I have a friend that provided tour support (lights, sound, etc) for them multiple times. He, being a young Christian (that has seen alot in his life on the road with both secular and Christian tours) commented at how this band is just another rock band. The only thing that was different was the lyrics. He said off stage, they were no different than anyone else. He meant that in a bad way. We as Christians are called to "Be not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind..."
Pillar is not a ministry oriented band per se. They aren't like what Petra was back in their day. There isn't the fruit of bands gone by. I suspect that they will be history in two to three years living like that.
BTW, I am an audio engineer. I work with Grammy, GMA and CMA artists, as well as a mega church. I produce records for a niche segment of the market, that was left behind by the labels. I used to sing back in the day, when music was music, and singing required skill and talent. Now you just have to look young, sexy and say the right stuff. It is a shallow prody of what it once was. This is true in all genres of music. This is why the music today is not timeless, and there are no innovators that will break new ground. The music industry is imploding on itself. When I did sing, I was better than that clown. He does not sing really. I certainly had better stage presence. I atleast didn't look like an idiot shaking my head and brains loose. Those boys are going to have the same trouble AC/DC's Malcolm Young had. He shook his brain loose and has cronic headaches. He could have died.
What5647
11-12-2005, 01:52 PM
care to take this over to the pillar boards? the band will set you straight...
TG-da-JF
11-12-2005, 06:07 PM
BTW, I am an audio engineer. I work with Grammy, GMA and CMA artists, as well as a mega church. I produce records for a niche segment of the market, that was left behind by the labels. I used to sing back in the day, when music was music, and singing required skill and talent. Now you just have to look young, sexy and say the right stuff. It is a shallow prody of what it once was. This is true in all genres of music. This is why the music today is not timeless, and there are no innovators that will break new ground. The music industry is imploding on itself. When I did sing, I was better than that clown. He does not sing really. I certainly had better stage presence. I atleast didn't look like an idiot shaking my head and brains loose. Those boys are going to have the same trouble AC/DC's Malcolm Young had. He shook his brain loose and has cronic headaches. He could have died.
Lets see... you start 8 sentences with I, comparing the band to yourself in the last 4 "I's". the main difference is that youre not on the stage singing instead of rob. music still is music. you just gotta have the taste for it and respect the people who do have a different taste than you. Have you ever tried playing guitar headbanging actually? well then you could see its hard to do that. I let my hair grow long and people think and/or call me a girl now. do i care? no because i can headbang with it. uhhhhhh... i dont kno i just wanted to reply and tell youre wrong :p.
GBY
Yes I do play guitar, and keys.
It makes a bigger impression on a musician, or someone that knows what it takes to make a great player and production, to stand still and play your hind end off IMO. Look at Dream Theater and those types of super-talented prog rock groups. Those guys would play circles around most major acts now, and they retain their composure They do not look like a deprived, carnal, cave men.
You are right music is a taste thing. But being a guitar player, you will one day realize just how much music is NOT in Pillar, or most of the bands that are "in" now. I could teach a beginner 5 chords with drop D tuning, just change the progression, and teach most of today's in music. This is OT, but consider Nicklelback. They even have the same music, different melody, on two different records. This is how shallow the whole scene is.
Do what you want. But ask yourself, "Would Jesus Christ act like that, play like that?" If the Holy Spirit sits well with it, and you feel justified by scripture, then go for it. Who am I to tell you what's right and wrong. I am merely expressing an opinion about a show in a forum.
DKelly
11-12-2005, 09:16 PM
Do what you want. But ask yourself, "Would Jesus Christ act like that, play like that?" If the Holy Spirit sits well with it, and you feel justified by scripture, then go for it. Who am I to tell you what's right and wrong. I am merely expressing an opinion about a show in a forum.
Oh, so now you're saying that liking Pillar's musical talent is sinful?
Oh, so now you're saying that liking Pillar's musical talent is sinful?
How did you get that? All that I said was if you have the urge to like it or play that way, examine it in the light of scripture. The music and delivery has to match the message and the messenger's life to be effective and real. That's true for anyone.
DKelly
11-12-2005, 09:31 PM
How did you get that? All that I said was if you have the urge to like it or play that way, examine it in the light of scripture. The music and delivery has to match the message and the messenger's life to be effective and real. That's true for anyone.
What are you talking about? Of course the message matches the music and delivery. The members of Pillar have expressed many times that they are Christians and their lyrics express it pretty clearly.
HolyRockJfreak
11-13-2005, 08:44 AM
Yes I do play guitar, and keys.
It makes a bigger impression on a musician, or someone that knows what it takes to make a great player and production, to stand still and play your hind end off IMO. Look at Dream Theater and those types of super-talented prog rock groups. Those guys would play circles around most major acts now, and they retain their composure They do not look like a deprived, carnal, cave men.
You are right music is a taste thing. But being a guitar player, you will one day realize just how much music is NOT in Pillar, or most of the bands that are "in" now. I could teach a beginner 5 chords with drop D tuning, just change the progression, and teach most of today's in music. This is OT, but consider Nicklelback. They even have the same music, different melody, on two different records. This is how shallow the whole scene is.
Do what you want. But ask yourself, "Would Jesus Christ act like that, play like that?" If the Holy Spirit sits well with it, and you feel justified by scripture, then go for it. Who am I to tell you what's right and wrong. I am merely expressing an opinion about a show in a forum.
What does this have to do with Pillar exactly? By the way I'm with TG-da-JF I totally disagree. If you have seen Pillar live, they are just rockin out and having some fun and putting on a great show for their fans and audience, it might not be your style, but alot of people love it.
Inked in Blood
11-13-2005, 02:31 PM
Dont cheap post in my forum.
TG-da-JF
11-13-2005, 02:35 PM
haha u mean that with the cavemen? cmon that wasnt so cheap:s? well anyway your the mighty IiB and i am just a minor lil citizen of cgr so i guess ill have to listen.
thedemonhunter
11-18-2005, 04:35 PM
I don't know what's up with Ha! but I've seen Pillar 3 times and Rob never acts like a jerk. none of them do. Maybe he was just having a bad day and I wonder how you would act on stage as frontman for a popular band like Pillar.
His stage presence is great by the way and if I hadn't heard of them before any one of the concerts, I would definitely want a CD before leaving.
underOATHrcks
11-18-2005, 07:47 PM
Ive seen them and they were amazing. i think they have a long career ahead of them
classicgtrfreak
11-19-2005, 03:37 AM
i just got home from a pillar concert (see spot rock) it was agreat! had a wonderful time
jake
SystemOfAJon
11-19-2005, 11:59 AM
Ah, the pleasure of no longer being a mod in a forum where lunacy reigns. :)
~Jon
classicgtrfreak
11-20-2005, 12:38 AM
and that means???
DKelly
11-20-2005, 12:53 AM
and that means???
He's glad he isn't a mod here anymore because he wouldn't want to deal with stuff like this.
What5647
11-20-2005, 06:42 AM
i still think that guy needs to hop on over to the pillar message boards and ask the band those questions, they normally take care of the issue. i've seen several ppl all take up this type of argument w/the band, and the band will straighten them out.
Chrizzle
11-21-2005, 09:59 PM
maybe Rob was just having a bad day...we all have our off days...anyway i love their music and nothing will change that i just hope they have a new cd soon...
I'm hoping to see them live december 8th so i guess i'll be able to see if he acts like a jerk on stage then :D
thedemonhunter
11-21-2005, 10:19 PM
i just got home from a pillar concert (see spot rock) it was agreat! had a wonderful time
jake
I just saw the same concert 3 days ago. in fact I tried to meet classicgtrfrk but couldn't find him. Rob was not a jerk there and Pillar had an amazing light show! Just wish Noah wasn't stuck in a chair. What does ACL stand for? because he tore it
Inked in Blood
11-22-2005, 01:05 PM
you can register with the pillar boards for free...go to their web page, hit community...if you do join, i'm Uranium-238 over there. (how many times have i said that?)
Everyone get back on topic please.
DKelly
11-22-2005, 01:35 PM
Come on, guys, listen to Shea. Get back on topic.
ChurchPunk 2
12-01-2005, 05:06 PM
Yeah, I have seen Pillar twice, and both times they were great. It is sad that they dont preach from the stage anymore, and I think that shows jsut a tad bit of cowardice an their part. Mostly Rob, really, I think, witch is sad, thinking of where Pillar came from, but whatever. I just wish they did that. But headbanging and rocking is fine. There is nothing wrong with them rocking out. And it you think it isn't "professional" to do that, then I guess Angus Young and Jimi Hendrix, who were crazy live (as well as thousands of other rockers that set the fretboard on fire) weren't really true guitar players because they jumped and rolled around. I think Pillar does hard rock pretty well, becasue I cant stand most hard rock anymore, and I think they have something special. They dont act like jerks on stage; Rob may make some jokes, but nothing serious. I just hope they can go back to there roots.
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